Ergun Caner Has Two Daddies

Sometimes Ergun's lies surprise even me. In this video, we see him call his imam, "my father." We see him continue to misidentify everyone in the picture, but himself. He even names two family members he doesn't even have. Then he says that this picture that was taken in Turkey rather than Ohio. All of these factual statements that were self contradictory, Ergun maintains were unintentional misstatements that happen to every preacher. If all preachers are preaching this kind of nonsense, it does not give me much confidence in my own minister.

Complete Transcript

This was my father, the one I spoke of yesterday, Acar Mehmet Caner. I am the second from him, that is one of my half sisters, one of my half brothers, and one other of my father’s children. I am the knock kneed child sitting there with my father. This was in Turkey. This was in Istanbul.

1979, Ergun Caner with his imam and other children

Ergun now claims that almost all of that was an unintentional misstatement, just like most preachers make. Man that inspires a lot of confidence in my minister. Welcome to another video on Mother Smuggling.

Around 2004, someone uploaded this picture to Ergun’s website with the caption, “Dr. Caner in the Mosque with his father”. Now, if my memory serves

Ergun couldn’t upload pictures to his own website in 2005 when he came to the Seminary. Since this caption probably wasn’t written by Ergun himself, one might think that it was a clerical error. However this brings us to his statement in 2006.

This was my father, the one I spoke of yesterday

Muslims live in enclaves. We travel together, because this is necessary for us. It is necessary for us, because we live differently, dress differently, look differently. I was the oldest. My father brought his wives with him. Yes, polygamous Muslims do come to America. We call it the Abraham lie. They say, “This is my wife, and this is my sister.”

Erguncaner.com in 2004

This man is not Ergun’s father. This is Ergun’s father. Acar did not have grey hair when Ergun was this young. The man in this picture is Ergun’s imam as seen posing in this picture with Ergun’s father.

OK, you might be asking yourself, if I am being too picky. Perhaps all of this was a collection of misstatements. Well, let us continue.

I am the second from him, that is one of my half sisters,

Acar with his three sons

This young lady who is taller than Ergun is not his half-sister. Ergun is thirteen years older than his oldest half-sister. When this picture was most likely taken she was still in diapers. Besides, even though his half-sisters were born in 1979 and 1980, years before his disownment in 1982, Unveiling Islam states that Ergun Caner never met his half-sisters till 1999 at his father’s death.

OK, now you might be saying, OK, he mislabeled the imam on the website and in this sermon and he misidentified a girl as his half-sister, but could all this be unintentional misstatements? Well, again, let us continue.

one of my half brothers

Ergun and his two brothers

This young man is not Ergun’s half-brother. Ergun has no half-brothers. Don’t believe me? Norman Geisler said the following in his defense of Ergun.

7. Ergun claimed his father had many wives and two half-brothers and two half-sisters, but there is no evidence for the half-brothers.

Response: Ergun’s father did have two wives, having divorced the first one. He had three sons by his first wife (Ergun and his two brothers). So, Ergun has two full brothers and two step-sisters (from his father’s second wife). While speaking quickly on one occasion, he mistakenly called his brothers his “half” brothers. This is hardly evidence of an attempt to embellish or deceive. After all, he had the right number of each sibling, and he didn’t claim to have ten brothers or sisters!

This gentleman is neither Erdem or Emir as you can see from this picture. Hopefully by now the errors are beginning to add up to you and you can see that these were not accidental. Well, let us move on to one more.

and one other of my father’s children

Acar only had five children and according to Ergun these are four of them. Seriously, just like the previous child this is not one of Ergun’s half-brothers or brothers. His half-brothers do not exist and neither of his brothers had dark curly hair.

Well, moving on.

I am the knock kneed child sitting there with my father. This was in Turkey. This was in Istanbul.

According to Ergun’s parents’ separation agreement, Ergun was forbidden to leave the country as of April 1978. He couldn’t even be taken out of Ohio without notifying the Franklin County Court. This is important. Let me tell you why.

Ergun no longer claims that man was his father. This was simply an unintentional misstatement. He no longer claims that his father was polygamous. This was simply an unintentional misstatement. Ergun no longer claims that young woman was his half-sister. This was simply an unintentional misstatement. Ergun no longer claims that this young man was his half-brother. This was simply an unintentional misstatement. Ergun no longer claims that this other young man was one of his father’s other children. This was simply an unintentional misstatement.

Ergun also no longer claims that this picture was taken in Istanbul or anywhere else in Turkey for that matter. In 2008, Ergun posted this picture to his facebook account. In 2004, the caption on his website read, “Dr. Caner in the Mosque with his father”. Yet, in 2008 the facebook caption read, “1979 - In the Mosque. An Imam is like a pastor - I am the second kid from the left.”

If this picture was taken in 1979, after Ergun was forbidden to leave the country, this could not be

in Turkey. This was in Istanbul

It is important to point out that this is what Ergun often means by the word, misstatement. It is often not one detail in a sentence that he has presented incorrectly. Many times it is a several sentences in a row with no basis in reality.

How does Ergun explain all these errors about a simple childhood picture? Well, Ergun speaks hundreds of times a year. Errors creep in. Many times, he called this man his father. Many times, he called this girl his half-sister. Many times he called these boys his half-brothers. Many times he said this picture was taken in Istanbul. Given sufficient retellings eventually all of these errors were eventually made at the same time coincidentally the day after he called his father a “polygamous Muslim” who smuggled his wives across the border calling them his sisters.

Or maybe he just lied.

Thank you for watching.

Thank you to the original research done by Dr. James White who made this video possible.

Music

"Haunted Forest" by soundcloud.com

Cited Links

Tim Lee's statements
http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com/2011/05/after-11-months-liberty-university.html

September 25, 2010 article where Ergun says he did not lie.
http://www2.newsadvance.com/news/2010/sep/25/caner-defends-background-bristol-speech-ar-524525/

The unedited Marine videos on Viddler
http://www.viddler.com/explore/jsin/videos/2/
http://www.viddler.com/explore/jsin/videos/1/

Unedited Marine Videos on Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxmIMR1LNos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpDm3Z9tI-M

Ergun Caner's Apology
http://sbctoday.com/2010/02/25/statement-from-dr-ergun-caner/

Norman Geisler's statements
http://www.normangeisler.net/articles/ErgunCaner/

PS - The sources of these videos are not online. However, an extended context can be found here.

Ergun Caner calls his father the "p" word

When Ergun's lies were originally coming out, a defender of Ergun was like sure he said that his father had "other wives", had "many wives", that his mother "found out late in her marriage that my father was married to more than one woman", had "more than one wife at a time", had three wives at the same time, smuggled his extra wives across the border calling them his sisters, but did Ergun ever use the word "polygamous"? Well here we have him saying that his father was a "polygamous Muslim". If all of these were just misstatements, what are the odds that I can produce more examples?

Transcript


OK, let me explain. No there is too much. Let me sum up. In Sweden, Acar Caner married Ergun’s mother. Ergun was born first in 1966. Erdem was born second in 1968. Then they picked up the family and moved to Ohio where Emir was born in 1970.

The marriage was troubled so Acar moved out around 1975. The divorce was finalized around 1978. Shortly thereafter, Acar remarried. He had two daughters from this second marriage.

No one disputes this. However, I have provided several examples of Ergun publicly misleading people to the contrary.

Example number one, in 2003, at a Chicago church, Ergun said the following.

My mother found out late in her marriage that my father was married to more than one woman. I don’t want anyone else to deal with this.

Example Number two, in 2005, Ergun said the following while lecturing Marines at Marine Corp Air Station New River

My father had more than one wife at a time. As you know the Quran says in Surah four that you are allowed up to four wives. My father had three.

Example Number three, in the same lecture, Ergun doubled down.

We got stopped at the border, because my father had listed my mother as property. It’s true. And the guy said, “Your wife’s not property.” And he said, “of course she is.” Then he brought his “sisters” which is his other wives that’s how we bring in our other wives to America. We call them our “sisters”.

Example Number four, a couple of months later, Ergun went back to the church in Chicago and said the following.

I came over during the Iranian crisis. Ayatollah Khomeini had taken control. The Shaw of Iran had been kicked out. And Ayatollah Khomeini said this, “We will not stop until America is an Islamic nation.” So in 1978, my father, my mother, my two brothers, my father’s other wives, and my half-brothers and sisters came to this country. How is it that Muslims can come to this country with other wives? Well it is called the Abraham lie. “This is my sister.” It explains our last names being the same. And so he would say, “This is my sisters.”

Remember coming to America in 1978, his father being married to many wives at the same time, his father smuggling these wives across the border as sisters, having half brothers…all of this Ergun maintains that he never meant to say. Supposedly he never meant for people to believe any of those things.

Well here we come to example number five, September 2006 at an apologetics conference in California. Warning, this clip will be longer for greater context and irony.

It isn’t just, it is a rare person who gets led to Christ by reading a book, by reading a testimony. Those things are great supplements, but almost inevitably it needs the human touch, a Christian, a sold out, a born again, a blood bought, Jesus loving, devil shoving, Christian, who is willing to, with boldness and with heart, rise up and tell them, “I know your answer.” “I know the one for whom you’re seeking.

Paul lives this out in front of us. He begins with what I call authentic Christianity. And you can see it beginning there in verse two, when it says he speaks to them in the Hebrew dialect and they all got quiet.

And he doesn’t begin by going, “I am better than all of thee.” No, Paul begins by saying, “Yall know me.” “Yall know me.” That’s authentic Christianity. That’s transparent Christianity. It doesn’t point to us. It points to Him. He even in the middle of it goes, “Those men there, the council and the elders, the Sanhedrin, the leadership, they know that I used to be the hunter”. “I was Dog the Bounty Hunter and now I stand with those I used to hunt.” “I was holding their coats when they were stoning Stephen.”

With transparency, with painful authenticity, the apostle Paul says, “Yall know me.” “It is not about me.” “It is about the one I met.” One of the things that holds us back from revolutionizing the world sometimes is us. We get all caught up in who we are and fight over things we shouldn’t fight over and we argue over things that are not necessarily the important points of the gospel. We argue about what we should wear in church whether the choir ought to have robes and neglecting the fact that there are people outside doors of that church on the way to a devil’s hell and they don’t care what color the robes are.

I hated you. That may be harsh, but as Dr. Hayes told you, my madrasa – my training center – was in Beirut before I came to America. We came as missionaries to you. My father was a muezzin, the one who does the prayer in the mosque. Five times a day he would climb to the top of a minaret and begin, [different language] and he would do the call to prayer. He was also an architect so we built mosques. And so we came to America – it was ’78. Ayatollah Khomeini had said, we will not stop until America is an Islamic nation and we came and we continue to come.

Anything I knew about Christianity, I learned through misconception and caricature. I knew nothing about you, had never been in a church, had never been outside of the mosque. Anything I knew about you, I learned through either television, hyperbole, gossip, but I did know this. I hated you and I thought you hated me.

Muslims live in enclaves. We travel together, because this is necessary for us. It is necessary for us, because we live differently, dress differently, look differently. I was the oldest. My father brought his wives with him. Yes, polygamous Muslims do come to America. We call it the Abraham lie. They say, “This is my wife, and this is my sister.”

And everybody goes aren’t they so family oriented. Yeah. And we moved from Brooklyn, New York near the Verrazano Bridge to Toledo, Ohio, Toledo, Ohio to Columbus, Ohio and it was there where my father built the mosque working with the other Muslims.

Now it is different than the way we do it here in America. It is different than the way the church does it. Yall know how we do it in the church when we are going to build something? We get together and we get a slogan. Somebody gets a slogan and we gather the people together and we show them a blueprint. Then somebody draws a thermometer.

Did you hear that?

Muslims live in enclaves. We travel together, because this is necessary for us. It is necessary for us, because we live differently, dress differently, look differently. I was the oldest. My father brought his wives with him. Yes, polygamous Muslims do come to America. We call it the Abraham lie. They say, “This is my wife, and this is my sister.”

And everybody goes aren’t they so family oriented. Yeah. And we moved from Brooklyn, New York near the Verrazano Bridge to Toledo, Ohio, Toledo, Ohio to Columbus, Ohio and it was there where my father built the mosque…

No one disagrees with what he said,

I was the oldest. My father brought his wives with him. Yes, polygamous Muslims do come to America. We call it the Abraham lie. They say, “This is my wife, and this is my sister.”

The contention is with what he meant.

Ergun wants you to believe that when he referred to his father as a “polygamous Muslim”,

My father brought his wives with him. Yes, polygamous Muslims do come to America.

he had no intention that you would believe that his father was a “polygamous Muslim”.

My father brought his wives with him. Yes, polygamous Muslims do come to America.

Remember Ergun concedes that his father was not polygamous, he and his defenders simply argue that he never intentionally said anything to the contrary. Stay tuned to Moses Model to hear more examples of Ergun saying things to the contrary. Remember shares, likes, and subscriptions really help get the word out. Also, any critiques and recommendations are welcome.

Sources

Some of these links may be broken.  If so email me for unedited sources. 

"20 Things You Must Know to Witness to a Muslim" - Ashburn Baptist Church - Chicago, Il - March 2, 2003 Link

"Base Theater" - Marine Corp Air Station New River - New River, NC - April 15, 2005 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpDm3Z9tI-M

"Dr. Ergun Caner and the Teen Choir and Orchestra from the First Baptist Church of Jacksonville, Florida - A" - Ashburn Baptist Church - Chicago, Il - June 3, 2005 Link

Music

"Haunted Forest" by soundcloud.com
"A year ago" by Pixt http://dig.ccmixter.org/dig?user=Pitx
"Handyman's Lament" by Josh Woodward from joshwoodward.com
Sound Effects provided by soundbible.com and shockwave-sound.com

Cited Links

Tim Lee's statements
http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com/2011/05/after-11-months-liberty-university.html

September 25, 2010 article where Ergun says he did not lie.
http://www2.newsadvance.com/news/2010/sep/25/caner-defends-background-bristol-speech-ar-524525/

The unedited Marine videos on Viddler
http://www.viddler.com/explore/jsin/videos/2/
http://www.viddler.com/explore/jsin/videos/1/

Unedited Marine Videos on Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxmIMR1LNos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpDm3Z9tI-M

Ergun Caner's Apology
http://sbctoday.com/2010/02/25/statement-from-dr-ergun-caner/

Norman Geisler's statements
http://www.normangeisler.net/articles/ErgunCaner/

Mother Smuggling and Ergun Caner - USMC

OK, let me explain. No there is too much. Let me sum up. In Sweden, Acar Caner married Ergun’s mother. Ergun was born first in 1966. Erdem was born second in 1968. Then they picked up the family and moved to Ohio where Emir was born in 1970.

The marriage was troubled so Acar moved out around 1975. The divorce was finalized around 1978. Shortly thereafter, Acar remarried. He had two daughters from this second marriage.

Nobody disputes this. However, we saw in the last episode that in 2003, Ergun claimed the following

My mother found out late in her marriage that my father was married to more than one woman. I don’t want anyone else to deal with this.

If this was an accidental misstatement, what are the odds that I can provide additional examples of Ergun claiming his father was married to multiple women at the same time? This next one comes from a lecture that Ergun gave April 2005 at Marine Corp Air Station New River.

Misconception. You understand…How many of you have already been in country? Many of you already know that we live and die by misconception. Just as I only understood American culture by what I had seen on television so do…too…most Iraqis who only get their television from controlled sources…even still…even though there is freedom about. We have misconceptions about you. Much of what I do is because there is so much misinformation. I spend half my time debating, in formats, debating Muslim Ulema, those are scholars, debating Imams, the pastors. I spend most of my time cutting through cliché.

There are certain things about being in country that I wish someone would have told me about coming to America and that I wish somebody would tell you. Probably the largest and most gaping difference is the fact that the vast majority of my people are thrilled by what you have done and brought to us.

My father had more than one wife at a time. As you know the Quran says in Surah four that you are allowed up to four wives. My father had three. I have sisters, half-sisters, who are learning to read, because of what you have brought to us. I have got cousins who voted for the first time, because of what you brought to us. If some tree hugging, whale kissing, crystal caring, Birkenstock wearing, Grateful Dead following, Jane Fonda spouting nut tells you that we all are just anti, please listen to me very carefully. There is a huge contingent of my people who are tasting freedom for the first time, because of what you have done. [Applause] I am thankful. Written on the walls of the mosque in Kabul, [speaking unknown foreign language], “do not teach the women to read and write.” You have let my sisters read and be trained in literacy for the first time.

Democracy is like crap out of a bull. You cannot put it back in. Once you have allowed it free, it’s there. I learned this, because they took me for a run through a field once. Those weren’t ant hills.

You watch us on television. You hear us speak. And there are some misconceptions that I want to cut through. The first one being, many of us are unbelievably thrilled about the fact that you have given us the freedom to believe or not believe anything. Yes, I am a Christian. I am an absolute believer in Jesus Christ as Lord. But you see you have also given us the freedom to believe anything. You’ve given us the freedom to think for ourselves. You’ve given us the freedom. You see that belief that is forced isn’t belief. Belief that is coerced isn’t true faith. The one great exponent of America is the freedom to think and rationally believe and reasonably consider for yourself. You brought this to us.

“Oh you have exported Americanism.” “A”, we want Americanism, you don’t see anyone walking to get in line to go to “Mc-Kabul”. We are coming to America. Nobody is going to Canada either. I am in Canada four times a year. I don’t understand Canada. Every time, I get protested. More and more, my protesters are these crackers, white guys. I can say cracker, I’m olive, I can make fun of all of yall. “Um excuse me, why are you always picking on Canada?” Because our Salvation Army could kick your ass if we wanted it to.

Wow, another accidental misstatement.

My father had more than one wife at a time. As you know the Quran says in Surah four that you are allowed up to four wives. My father had three.

He knows his father was not married to three women at the same time. However, even if this was accidental what are the odds Ergun will double down on it in this same lecture?

Wonderful question, because we think in terms of our culture. We think in terms of the American Army versus who? Who is the [indiscernible]? Where are the borders and where are the boundaries ? And jihad is crosses borders and boundaries. Lebanese, Jordanians, Syrian, U.A.E, Qatar, you really have, you mean, Sudan, you have these groups that are defined by their sect and tribe as opposed to country. So I have heard, this we hear constantly, I being Turk, coming to Iraq, I have heard Iraqis say, “This is not us.” “These are the Sunni who are coming from other countries.” That very well could be. And part of their solution in there new government is going to be a strategy of immigration. Establishing a reasoning for immigration. Are you coming here for good reasons or bad reasons? Again, this is a Shia versus Sunni issue and then you have subsets of Sunni. Wahabi is a subset of Sunni. The twelfth imam are a subset of the Shia. So you have Hezbollah and these varying groups that are a subsets that if you can cross that, perhaps you can end a lot of the insurgency and a lot of the fighting. That is a very valid point. I think that is a fair question. I think a fair understanding.

They have problems with immigration. I became an American citizen…uh…and stood up and took the vow and came in legally. We got stopped at the border, because my father had listed my mother as property. It’s true. And the guy said, “Your wife’s not property.” And he said, “of course she is.” Then he brought his “sisters” which is his other wives that’s how we bring in our other wives to America. We call them our “sisters”.

There you have it, Ergun claimed to Marines on a Marine base that his father was a polygamist and a human trafficker or at least a mother smuggler. Now he knows that neither is true. This sounds like a definite lie to me.

We got stopped at the border, because my father had listed my mother as property. It’s true. And the guy said, “Your wife’s not property.” And he said, “of course she is.” Then he brought his “sisters” which is his other wives that’s how we bring in our other wives to America. We call them our “sisters”.

Also, it takes some balls to lie to Marines on a Marine base during the midst of two wars.

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Source

"20 Things You Must Know to Witness to a Muslim" - Ashburn Baptist Church - Chicago, Il - March 2, 2003 Link

"Base Theater" - Marine Corp Air Station New River - New River, NC - April 15, 2005 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpDm3Z9tI-M

Music

"The Owl Named Orion" by danosongs.com
"Test Drive" by Zapac http://ccmixter.org/files/Zapac/26047
"A year ago" and "Chords for David" by Pixt http://dig.ccmixter.org/dig?user=Pitx
"Gloria" by Snowflake http://ccmixter.org/files/snowflake/22692



Cited Links

Tim Lee's statements
http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com/2011/05/after-11-months-liberty-university.html

September 25, 2010 article where Ergun says he did not lie.
http://www2.newsadvance.com/news/2010/sep/25/caner-defends-background-bristol-speech-ar-524525/

The unedited Marine videos on Viddler
http://www.viddler.com/explore/jsin/videos/2/
http://www.viddler.com/explore/jsin/videos/1/

Unedited Marine Videos on Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxmIMR1LNos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpDm3Z9tI-M

Ergun Caner's Apology
http://sbctoday.com/2010/02/25/statement-from-dr-ergun-caner/

Norman Geisler's statements
http://www.normangeisler.net/articles/ErgunCaner/

Mother smuggling and Ergun Caner - Introduction

Here we are coming to Ergun Caner’s claims on his father’s polygamy. Elsewhere I have wondered out loud if Emir knows about his brother’s unsubstantiated claims. A few times, I have even questioned how Emir can proclaim Ergun’s “unquestionable Christian character” when he lies so absolutely about their own mother and father.

While not directly challenging Emir, this video series will establish that many times Ergun has claimed his father had multiple wives at the same time. These claims have been made too directly and too frequently to be accidental misstatements.

First lets lay a little ground work. Ergun’s parents separated in 1975 and finalized their divorce in 1978. These documents are uncontested. In defending Ergun, Norman Geisler, noted:

Further, that Ergun was reared a devout Muslim is proven by his father’s testimony recorded in the divorce proceedings documents which ironically Ergun’s critic placed on the internet.

In another defense, he referenced the order of events.

After the divorce, he was raised by his mother who obviously had not disowned him since she was no longer a Muslim. But his Muslim father who had remarried did disown him.

Relevant portions are made available in the description below.

Norman also noted.

Ergun’s father did have two wives, having divorced the first one. He had three sons by his first wife (Ergun and his two brothers). So, Ergun has two full brothers and two step-sisters (from his father’s second wife). While speaking quickly on one occasion, he mistakenly called his brothers his “half” brothers. This is hardly evidence of an attempt to embellish or deceive. After all, he had the right number of each sibling, and he didn’t claim to have ten brothers or sisters!

OK, Ergun’s father, Acar, having only two wives and only being married to one at a time, is not in dispute. Given this, lets cue the clip from 2003.

Ashburn Baptist March 2, 2003

Man and woman are equal Surah 2 tells us, but a man has a degree over her. Mohammed said, it takes the testimony of two women to equal the testimony of one man, because of the deficiency of a woman’s mind. Hadith volume 9, please look that up. And that’s why in thirty-eight countries around the world, it takes the testimony of two women to equal the testimony of one man. Mohammed said that hellfire is filled with two thirds women. This is the doctrine of women.

How many wives is a man allowed to have in Islam? Four! Four, up to four. Two, three, or four based on what he can financially afford. That is from Surah 4 of the Quran. How many husbands is a woman allowed to have? Just one. And ladies even if your husband dies you do not have a choice. If in Islamic doctrine, if your husband dies you must go to his brothers. So I want all the women in the room right now to think about their brother in laws. Do you know why I like telling people this? Because it is always inevitable the women will go “ewww” and all the men look back. Even though we are talking about their death, the guy is going, “There ain’t nothing wrong with my brother.” “He’s a good man, he’s a good man, I tell you.” But you do not have a choice.

Who is allowed to divorce? The man all he has to do is face Mecca and begin the Nicah. [indiscernible] He disowns her. Three times he says I disown you, I divorce you. And you are divorced. You don’t get any land. You get nothing.

For those of you who have friends and family who are dating Muslim men or know a woman who is, please write down this verse. Surah 4:34 and I quote, fourth chapter of the Quran, “If a man fears disloyalty from his wife, first he must admonish her, secondly refuse to share the bed with her, thirdly beat her.”

On open line radio with Wayne Shepherd, I was debating Muslim woman scholar and this was the Moody show, the Wayne Shepherd thing, and he said she’s on the line and she wants to disagree with what you say. She calls in and she said, “You do not understand. You have quoted this verse three times and you do not understand in the Arabic, that means to tap her lightly.”

I had two answers. Number one, I do understand the Arabic. I do read the Arabic and no, it doesn’t mean to tap her lightly. And secondly, are you insane? Let me tell you what my wife says. My wife says if I ever tap her lightly, I will quote, “I will stomp a mud hole in you and I will walk it dry.” Do you understand why some women wear, a burqa covers many wounds.

A Hijab can refer to a head scarf or a traditional dress code covering of the entire body except the face, hands, and feet

There are three outfits that a woman will wear. One is called the hijab and that covers everything but the face and the hands and the feet. Because again, you have to check her toes. Secondly, it is the Niqab that covers everything, but it also covers the eye. And thirdly is the burqa and you say “barqa”.

My mother found out late in her marriage that my father was married to more than one woman. I don’t want anyone else to deal with this.

Does anyone have any questions on the issue of women? Yes, my sister. I will come back to that, if a man marries a Muslim woman. Let me answer the question about the brother. If their brothers, if a man has two brothers, but they are already married to four women, or they got the most they can take care of. She must go to his uncles. So there is the possibility that you could be thirty married to a seventy-five year old man. And then if the uncles are dead or don’t want a wife you must then by proxy go to the nephews, his nephews. So the possibility is that you could be thirty and married to a man who is seventeen or fourteen and have to raise yet another.

There are many locations where Ergun claims that his father had quote, “many wives” or quote “other wives”. Ergun’s defenders point out that two can be quote “many” also perhaps “other wives” was a slip of the tongue. However how do you explain,

My mother found out late in her marriage that my father was married to more than one woman. I don’t want anyone else to deal with this.

It seems like a definite lie to me. Ergun clearly knows that his father never had more than one wife at a time.

My mother found out late in her marriage that my father was married to more than one woman. I don’t want anyone else to deal with this.

Like this video if you like it and subscribe for more videos.

Source 

"20 Things You Must Know to Witness to a Muslim" - Ashburn Baptist Church - Chicago, Il - March 2, 2003 Link

Music

"The Owl Named Orion" by danosongs.com
"Test Drive" by Zapac http://ccmixter.org/files/Zapac/26047
"Gloria" by Snowflake http://ccmixter.org/files/snowflake/22692

Cited Links

Tim Lee's statements
http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com/2011/05/after-11-months-liberty-university.html

September 25, 2010 article where Ergun says he did not lie.
http://www2.newsadvance.com/news/2010/sep/25/caner-defends-background-bristol-speech-ar-524525/

The unedited Marine videos on Viddler
http://www.viddler.com/explore/jsin/videos/2/
http://www.viddler.com/explore/jsin/videos/1/

Unedited Marine Videos on Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxmIMR1LNos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpDm3Z9tI-M

Ergun Caner's Apology
http://sbctoday.com/2010/02/25/statement-from-dr-ergun-caner/

Norman Geisler's statements
http://www.normangeisler.net/articles/ErgunCaner/

Correction - I posted a correction to the caption on the picture.  While a hijab is a head scarf, it can also refer to the entire traditional Islamic dress code "calling for the covering of the entire body except theface, hands, and feet."  Still, anyone wearing any of those articles of Islamic clothing would be observing hijab.  So I am unclear why Ergun makes the distinction. 

Ergun Caner: Does Emir Know? - Told You

After 9/11, Ergun Caner became a popular speaker. However, he was prone to lying about his past. This particular video series deals with the irreconcilable versions that Ergun has presented about his brothers’ conversions. In 2001, he began saying that he converted November 4, 1982 and a year later, he preached a seven minute sermon. That Sunday night his brothers supposedly converted. However, Ergun and his brother Emir wrote a bestselling book. In Unveiling Islam, Ergun converted. His brother, Erdem, converted in their basement. Then a year later, Emir, not Ergun, converted November 4, 1982. Around 2009, he began saying that it was not until he was away at college that he found out his brothers converted.

So far, I have provided two examples, here is another.

Pastor’s Perspective interviewed Ergun, January 2010. About five months later, his university launched their investigation. After completion of the investigation, Liberty University refused to continue his contract as President of the seminary. A month later, Dr. Norman Geisler wrote several passionate defenses of his friend, trying to argue that Ergun never lied.

At the beginning of August 2010, Ergun preached at Calvary Chapel Downey. About two and a half weeks later, Jason Smathers will publish the videos from 2005 of Ergun lying to the Marines at Marine Corps Air Station New River.

While Ergun was more honest at Downey there was some things lacking. Pertinent to this video series, Ergun claimed that he was almost in college when he converted.

But you look around the room what’s different about your church than say any other churches? Look around. We look like a bowl of fruity pebbles here, skittles. Various shades and colors, we don’t look monochromatic. We don’t fit one scheme. We look like the United Nations.

The reason I say that is I didn’t become a Christian until I was in High School, almost in college. And where I got saved in Columbus, Ohio, the worship was suburban. It was hymn driven. If you have ever been to a hymn driven church, it’s, back in the day, they would, “Take out your hymnal and turn with me to hymn number two hundred and twenty and we are going to sing first second and last.” I never understood why they skipped the third verse, but they always skipped over the third verse like it was the evil verse, because they sang from the hymn book.

As you can probably guess coming from an Islamic background, I was disowned when I became a believer in Jesus. And so going into college, I had no visible means of support. God provided support for me. I ended up in college in Kentucky, southeastern Kentucky, right on the border of Tennessee where I had to relearn English for a second time.

If he was almost in college, when he converted the logical inference is that a year later when his brothers converted, he was in college.

The pastor’s wife loved on me. I went home that night and told my father that I was a believer in Jesus and it was the last time I saw my Dad until he died. I was disowned, but my church became my family and the pastor’s wife, honey she was tough.

Yuki Miller, Japanese, out of Shintoism, about this tall, mean as a snake. I had no idea what she was talking about, she didn’t know what I was talking about, but I wanted to be able to pray like her. We would all join hands on a Sunday night and Clarence would inevitably call on his wife to pray. “Yuki, why don’t you close us?” And Yuki would start, “Heavenly Father, we are thanking you for everything you are doing today.” I may not have caught every word, but I wanted to have that heart. And God help you if you missed, God help you if you missed church one Sunday, but Yuki was old time, she was old school bus visitation. And Yuki would show up at your door, “Ergun, you come church now!” Man.

She’s still alive. Clarence is still alive. Yuki is still alive. Jerry Tackett, the boy who led me to Christ is still alive. All these people who invested in my life were all warriors who ripped the roof off in my life.

A year later I was in college, like I told you. I found out that both my brothers got saved. From my father and my mom, from my father and my mother, all three, all three boys, raised as Sunni Muslims all three are born again believers in Jesus. All three are ministers of the gospel.

Erdem, the middle brother, the middle brother Erdem is a layman, but he preaches in Cincinnati, Ohio as a business man, he does things on tithing. Emir, my youngest brother, is the President of Truett-Mcconnel college in Cleveland, Georgia. I’m at Liberty University, because of one kid.

Ergun typically dates his conversion at November 4, 1982, the day after his sixteenth birthday. Ergun did not go to college until the fall of 1984. Both his brothers date their conversion also to 1982. Emir even claims that he not Ergun converted November 4, 1982. In fact they co-authored a book together that said just that.

We are not through yet

Does Emir know that his brother is claiming that he is wrong about his own testimony?

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Source

“Worship of Warriors” - Calvary Chapel Downey- Downey, CA – August 1, 2010 http://www.ccdowneymedia.com/webcasts/s2-08-01-2010-v291k.wmv

Cited Links

Tim Lee's statements
http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com/2011/05/after-11-months-liberty-university.html

September 25, 2010 article where Ergun says he did not lie.
http://www2.newsadvance.com/news/2010/sep/25/caner-defends-background-bristol-speech-ar-524525/

The unedited Marine videos on Viddler
http://www.viddler.com/explore/jsin/videos/2/
http://www.viddler.com/explore/jsin/videos/1/

Unedited Marine Videos on Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxmIMR1LNos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpDm3Z9tI-M

Ergun Caner's Apology
http://sbctoday.com/2010/02/25/statement-from-dr-ergun-caner/

Norman Geisler's statements
http://www.normangeisler.net/articles/ErgunCaner/

Ergun Caner: Does Emir Know? - Perspective

After 9/11, Ergun Caner became a popular speaker. However, he was prone to lying about his past. This particular video series deals with the irreconcilable versions that Ergun has presented about his brothers’ conversions. In 2001, he began saying that he converted November 4, 1982 and a year later, he preached a seven minute sermon. That Sunday night his brothers supposedly converted. However, Ergun and his brother Emir wrote a bestselling book. In Unveiling Islam, Ergun converted. His brother, Erdem, converted in their basement. Then a year later, Emir, not Ergun, converted November 4, 1982. Around 2009, he began saying that it was not until he was away at college that he found out his brothers converted.

Now on with the show.

Pastor’s Perspective interviewed Ergun Caner January 2010. Ergun said many things incorrectly about himself. He said he came to America as a fiery young man. He came to the United States before his fourth birthday. He said, he was completely disowned by his family. However, his parents were divorced at the time. He was disowned by his father and continued to reside with his mother and brothers. He then repeated again the claim that he lost his family. Again, he continued to live with his mother who was not a Muslim. Don’t take my word for it.

Brian - It is really the battle of between the political correctness or essentially liberalism and Islam. And liberalism can’t battle Islam, because they don’t really even know what they’re up against.

Ergun – They don’t know what to do with someone who believes in absolutes. They have no problem with modern Buddhism which becomes part of the ecology movement. They have no problem with Hinduism, which is part of the environmental movement.

But they have a real problem with Islam, because Islam doesn’t play well with others. They won’t meld. They won’t mesh. They won't dilute. Islam is Islam - and that was me coming to America: a fiery young man - all three of us, the three sons from our mother - all three of us devout Muslims - our father just this hero to us and when I converted - disowned by my family - completely disowned - father cut me out of the pictures - a year later both of my brothers became believers.

All three of us have preached. Myself and my youngest brother, the one who writes with me, we are both presidents of universities and we decided that we would write under our own name, because most of those who write books about Islam, Norman Geisler wrote an incredible book with Abdul Saleeb. Well, Abdul Saleeb means in Arabic, slave of the cross. The use assumed names, because it is the problem. Muslims will say how dare you say these things? And I point out the irony, so you are saying stop saying we are violent or you will kill me.

You know, where do you draw that line? It is why it is easier to make fun of Christians, because Christians won’t fight back.

Brian – Yeah, well I’ll tell you along those lines, when I was living in London, there was a producer in some part of Europe, whether it was Italy or France or somewhere and they made a very blasphemous movie about Christ and they were coming to London to premier the movie and guess what the Muslims stood up and said if you come and show this movie, we will blow up the theater, we will kill you, and of course they changed their mind and decided not to do the premier. I thought that was interesting that we got Muslims coming to the assistance of Christ.

Ergun – And the reason they do so is the Christ that they defend is not the Christ of the Bible. You know Mohammed basically, I get this all the time about the Allah, Jehovah. How do you witness to a Muslim? How do I explain to them? The insider movement, can I say that Allah, I want to tell you about Allah’s son? And I’ve never in twenty years of debates, discussions, interviews, etc, I’ve never met one Muslim who has ever said that the Allah of the Quran is the same as the God the Bible. Never. It’s only glue sniffing Christians who will turn around and say oh come on you know it’s the same God. It is deceptive and it is a lie. Muslims are adamant and Christians should be adamant. They are as adamant as we used to be.

Now there are still people who are very adamant, but by and large Christianity has become C.S. Lewis’s classic, Men without Chests. You know we have no guts.

Brian – You’re not in that category.

Ergun – I don’t you think you are either. But after I lost, you know I lose my family, what else can you lose? I lost my family, my culture, my language, my people. I knew nothing. I’m this kid who never had AWANA, never had Vacation Bible School, never had Sunday School, and now I am a believer in Jesus. For me the first thing you should do is go to the mosque and tell them about this grace. The first thing that you should do is tell everyone that you know. I can’t imagine a silent Christianity.

Brian - Now how was it that your brothers came to faith? Was it through your witness to them or?

Ergun- No, it was through the work of others. It was through the work of others. I was disowned. And I find out that my brothers had become Christians, I'm in college. And so it is what I hammer a lot, about the anonymous, the silent, behind-the-scenes, in the shadows kind of Christians who literally do the work that guys like ourselves cannot do.

Ergun is asked how his brothers came to Christ. He said, he could not witness to his brothers, because he was disowned. He answered that found out his brothers were Christians in college.

This is curious. As you know, Ergun was born in 1966. If he was saved in 1982, as he has claimed, he could not have been any older than 16 years old. Emir has claimed in numerous locations that he was saved, November 4, 1982. Again the oldest Ergun could have been was 16. 16 is not a likely age for a college freshman.

Does Emir know about this?

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Sources

Unveiling Islam Google Books

Pastor's Perspective - January 22, 2010 - http://backtobasicsradio.com/blog/44-blog/181-pastors-perspective

Cited Links

Tim Lee's statements
http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com/2011/05/after-11-months-liberty-university.html

September 25, 2010 article where Ergun says he did not lie.
http://www2.newsadvance.com/news/2010/sep/25/caner-defends-background-bristol-speech-ar-524525/

The unedited Marine videos on Viddler
http://www.viddler.com/explore/jsin/videos/2/
http://www.viddler.com/explore/jsin/videos/1/

Unedited Marine Videos on Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxmIMR1LNos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpDm3Z9tI-M

Ergun Caner's Apology
http://sbctoday.com/2010/02/25/statement-from-dr-ergun-caner/

Norman Geisler's statements
http://www.normangeisler.net/articles/ErgunCaner/

Ergun Caner: Does Emir Know? - Halftime Show

This is a quick summary of the "Does Emir Know?" series thus far.  There are more examples and if you have watched my Ergun huevos video, you know that I have far more examples of Ergun saying his brothers converted while he was in college. 

I understand that everybody does not have time to listen to hours of Ergun sermons.  Also, I understand that everybody does not have the hour that it would take you to watch the entire video series.  So I made this video to sum up the story thus far.  I think that it is pretty safe to say that Ergun has given many contradictory versions of Emir's conversion.

Transcript:

The third column is going to fill up.

Hold on everything is going to be fine. For those of you who have watched the full hour of the “Does Emir Know?” video series, thank you for watching. This video is going to be largely review of things that I fleshed out in other videos. For those who have not watched the entire series, this video is for you. Don’t worry, I have extensively documented every assertion that I am about to make in other videos. These videos will appear above with annotations to take you to them.

Sometimes it is best to look back at from whence we came and look towards where we are going. There are more examples to give, but this will be a place to deal only with the examples provided so far.

The primary focus in this video series has been the claims that Ergun has made about his brother Emir. The recent video about his parents’ divorce was more of a halftime show. Here we will sum up the chronology.

After 9/11, but still in 2001, Ergun preached at Prestonwood Baptist Church that both his brothers had converted after he preached a seven minute Sunday night sermon. He also claimed that he had converted November 4, 1982.

In 2002, Ergun and Emir coauthored Unveiling Islam. In one of the autobiographical sections of the book, Ergun converts on a Thursday. Erdem later converted in their mother’s basement. Then Ergun invited Emir to a revival service where he converted that Thursday night, November 4, 1982. Notice at Prestonwood, Ergun converted November 4, 1982, but in Unveiling Islam, Emir converted November 4, 1982. Also, notice that his brothers converted at separate times, when at Prestonwood, they converted the same Sunday night. Also, you will notice that this is the only example I have of this order of events.

Ergun continued to claim that he was the one who converted November 4, 1982. So did Emir, but that will be dealt with in another video. One example from Ergun was provided from 2005. Here he simply stated with no real details that his brothers were saved a year later. A 2007 example was also provided, however in this example, he stated again that his brothers converted after a seven minute Sunday night sermon. I provided 2008 example, where he again stated that he, not Emir, converted November 4, 1982. His brothers are said to have converted a year later. Like usual, no details are given.

As mentioned, Ergun generally claims that he was a High School Senior, November 4, 1982. He was not. He was a Junior. However, if he did convert as a Senior, the logical inference is that a year later when his brothers converted, he was a college Freshman. 2009 at Calvary Chapel Old Bridge is my earliest example of him claiming this.

So here, we have at least three different conversion stories provided by Ergun about Emir. They cannot all be true. Again, these are not the only examples of Ergun making such claims. Also, again, Emir has continued to claim that he was the one, not Ergun, who converted November 4, 1982. I have no examples of Ergun repeating the version of Emir’s conversion that is contained in their book.

Even though, chronologically Ergun’s claim about November 4, 1982 and the seven minute Sunday night sermon came first, I have assumed that the story in Unveiling Islam is the true one. It was coauthored by both brothers and it was the version that was put into print. Still, does Emir know that Ergun has said so many things about him?

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Sources

Unveiling Islam Google Books

“From Jihad to Jesus” 4/26/2010 Focus on the Family broadcast from a 2001 sermon at Prestonwood Baptist Church http://grooveshark.com/#!/s/From+Jihad+To+Jesus/g2QVv?src=5

“Church House or Jail House?” – North Alabama Bible Conference – 2005, Decatur Baptist Church: Decatur, AL – January 12, 2005 http://sermons.decaturbaptist.org/20050112PM.mp3

“General Session #2 - Dr. Ergun Caner” -- First Baptist Church Pearl City – Pearl City, HI - June 1, 2007 http://evangelism.fbcpearlcity.com/resources.html

“God’s Word,” The Downtown Church: Bellevue, WA – April 19, 2008 http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gods-word/id321185342?i=113186322&mt=2

“The Greatest Day in Church”- Calvary Chapel Old Bridge – Old Bridge, NJ – January 25, 2009 http://www.bridgegap.org/e/shop/item.asp?itemid=2958#



Cited Links

Tim Lee's statements
http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com/2011/05/after-11-months-liberty-university.html

September 25, 2010 article where Ergun says he did not lie.
http://www2.newsadvance.com/news/2010/sep/25/caner-defends-background-bristol-speech-ar-524525/

The unedited Marine videos on Viddler
http://www.viddler.com/explore/jsin/videos/2/
http://www.viddler.com/explore/jsin/videos/1/

Unedited Marine Videos on Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxmIMR1LNos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpDm3Z9tI-M

Ergun Caner's Apology
http://sbctoday.com/2010/02/25/statement-from-dr-ergun-caner/

Norman Geisler's statements
http://www.normangeisler.net/articles/ErgunCaner/

Ergun and Emir Caner and their Mom's divorce

According to Unveiling Islam, Dr. Ergun Caner’s parents’ marriage was doomed from the start. His mother was raised in Stockholm and educated all over Europe. His father was a Turkish immigrant with very different views. What is important here is that according to Unveiling Islam, Ergun’s parents divorced prior to their sons’ conversion to Christianity. There is a link in the description to the relevant portions of the autobiography.

The marriage was doomed from the beginning, a clash of cultures. Our mother was an only child, raised in Stockholm and educated all over Europe. By the time she was twenty, she had attended the Sorbonne in Paris, and had traveled the world. Father was from heartier stock. As the youngest child in his family, he had earned everything he owned and was steeped in Islamic culture. Their assumptions about marriage clearly clashed.

The divorce, which was finalized in America, was painful. As in most divorces, the children became the human “ropes” in a tug-of-war, torn between parents. A pattern developed of weekend visits between Columbus and Gahanna, in central Ohio. Yet even the wrenching experience of divorce could not prepare us for our father’s disavowal.

Entering high school, Ergun was a typical young man, except that he was a devout Muslim. Even through the divorce, our parents had maintained our rearing in the mosque. Each weekend, we would travel to Broad Street in Columbus, Ohio, where our father had helped found the Islamic Foundation. The mosque in Toledo was too far a drive, so the Foundation Center was established. Father did the call to prayer on occasion.

This was verified by divorce documents obtained by Jason Smathers. Ergun’s parents separated in 1975 and finalized their divorce in 1978. These documents are uncontested. In defending Ergun, Norman Geisler, noted:

Further, that Ergun was reared a devout Muslim is proven by his father’s testimony recorded in the divorce proceedings documents which ironically Ergun’s critic placed on the internet.

In another defense, he referenced the order of events. “After the divorce, he was raised by his mother who obviously had not disowned him since she was no longer a Muslim. But his Muslim father who had remarried did disown him.” Relevant portions are made available in the description below.

The Charge that His Family Did Not Disown Him When He Converted to Christianity as Caner Claimed that they Did.—It is true that after the divorce he was raised by his mother who obviously had not disowned him since she was no longer a Muslim. But his Muslim father who had remarried did disown him. This is the Muslim “family” to which he referred. This was very painful to him since he lived only a half hour away but could not even speak to him.

- In Defense of Dr. Ergun Caner: A Response to His Critics

OK, we all know the time line now. In 1975, when Ergun was about 8 or 9, his parents separated. In 1978, when Ergun was about 11 or 12, his parents divorced. Ergun later converted to Christianity somewhere in between 1981-1983, depending on which version of his story you go by. Emir and Erdem converted somewhere in between 1982-1984, depending on which version of their story you go by. The point is that the divorce took place 4 to 6 years prior to their conversions. Anyone who said otherwise would probably be lying. Cue clip from 2007.

If you are going to change the world, find you the Jewish equivalent of Bill Gates who can fund this movement. What ya talking to a poor person for? Strike four, she’s divorced. This Brittney Spears of the first century, five times, don’t you reckon after three or four she might think it’s her? Might be me?

Jesus said, “You answered correctly, five times, you had five husbands.” And in many churches, that’s the Scarlett Letter. Neither I have been divorced or my wife. Both our families have been through it. My Mom was divorced when my brothers became Christians. My Father left her, blaming her for our conversion. And when my Mom got saved, in 1991, there was nowhere she could serve, because our little church said that if you were divorced you can’t serve in any capacity. It is no longer the “Scarlett A”, but the “Scarlett D”.

Oh no! Surely there must be some other explanation for Ergun saying, “My father left her, blaming her for our conversion”. Come on guys! This is my 25th Ergun Caner video on this channel. You all know that I am going to provide multiple examples of Ergun making the same false statement over and over again. Then I will ask you which is more likely, that Ergun accidentally said his father punitively divorced his mother or that he said so purposely? So cue 2008. This clip was only five months later.

Strike four, she’s divorced. Jesus busts her, doesn’t he? He says, “You answered right.” “You’ve had five husbands.” This biblical Brittney Spears, has gone through husband after husband after husband. Don’t you think at some point she’d say, “Maybe it’s me?” But don’t you think that happens in the church all the time? We have sort of a new Scarlett Letter don’t we? My apologies to Hawthorne, but the big letter’s “D” now.

I’ve never been divorced. My wife’s never been divorced, but our whole family both sides decimated by it. And often in the church, the whispers the divorced hear, how, “Who are you?”

When my Mom got saved, because my father left her, because I became a Christian. When my Mom got saved, she couldn’t serve in the church where she got saved, because she was divorced. Jesus what are you talking to this divorcee?

This next clip is 12 months later. You will notice that I edited the clip with about a minute and a half before Ergun begins preaching on divorce. One, I like providing longer clips. They help you understand that I am not deceitfully giving gotcha moments. By all means, please listen to the unedited audio which I have linked to in the description below.

Two, I do hope you appreciate the irony. You will see what I mean in a moment.

Three, this is one of Ergun’s notorious youth events. These are teenagers that he is talking to. When I was a youth pastor, I wanted Ergun to speak to my youth group. By God’s grace, I am glad that he never did. Later on that day, Ergun will even tell the youth that at age 8, he was betrothed to a Turkish girl while he was still living in Istanbul, Turkey. Ergun, here, is lying to kids, kids that trusted him. How could he do this? Let us just cue clip 2009.

And we lie. Somebody asks you what kind of home you come from. Somebody asks you to tell the story. Somebody asks what’s your background? Somebody asks you what you struggle with. We lie.

Don’t you understand if God can get you through whatever it is that you are going through, that’s part of your story? And the reason that God kept you here to survive that was to help others who may be going through that? Don’t you understand that there are people you can talk to who would never listen to me? They would never show up to listen to a guy with a four hundred pound pumpkin head talk, but they will listen to you, because you have earned their trust. They will listen to you, if you tell them your story. Your scars become your story when you are willing to admit your weakness. That’s why he says, “We ain’t preaching ourselves, we preach Christ.” Your most effective witness will be before those people who know you, who know you and understand where you came from. Use whatever it is you deal with. Use whatever it is from which you came. Use it. Tell it. Be transparent. Don’t fake it and you will be astonished at the number of people who will listen to you. You have a story that God’s given you.

How many here, by a show of hands, come from a divorced background? Me too. We don’t talk about it, not in the church. That’s the new Scarlett Letter. I’ve not been divorced. My wife’s not been divorced. Everybody else in our family is. Not like our brothers, not Jill’s brothers, not my brothers. Our parents, Jill’s parents, her uncles and aunts, my uncles and aunts, everybody’s gone through it and when they come to church they feel like they got the “Scarlett Letter D”.

And so when I talk to those people and I say, “Let me tell you what my parents went through.” You see, my Father left my Mom, because he blamed her that we got saved. And those that come from a divorced background go, “I’m right there with you”.

In 2010, less than a year from the last clip, Ergun released his statement that he never intentionally misled anyone. I have provided so far three clips in which Ergun says he never intended for you to believe that his father divorced his mother due to her sons’ conversions. Do you buy that? You would expect with all the attention given to false statements like these; Ergun would stop making them in 2010. However you would think wrong. My next clip is from 2011.

My parents divorced, my Father blamed my Mom for our conversions. In 1991, with three boys as Christians, my Mom got saved, my Mom. My Mom is now remarried, a man from her discipleship group, who is now a supply pastor. Just got called to be an interim pastor, which is hilarious, which makes my Mom and an interim pastor’s wife. If you knew my Mom, you’d know how funny that was. Because if my Mom ever comes to your door, you’ll know it. Heavy accent, little woman, smoking, smoking, I mean chain smoking, pall malls unfiltered. “Filters are for wimps.” And she’ll do it witnessing. “I want to tell you about Jesus”.

Do you remember Ergun’s friend, Norman, who pointed out the divorce documents as proof that Ergun was a devout Muslim? Remember, he also noted that the divorce came before her boys conversion? Surely, he would correct Ergun? Nope, he’s right there.

Look if I had gotten married, if I ever show you a picture of Jill, she is a great godly woman, but my wife is hot, hot, hot. Like we stand side by side and people will go. All the time, all the time, Dr. Geisler will tell you.

The summer of 2010, he defended his brother saying, Ergun had demonstrated "unquestionable Christian character". This was just "a few incorrect statements". He said, "His character, integrity, and bold witness are truly an emulation of a shepherd's heart and an evangelist's passion." March 15, 2012, Emir referred to Ergun as "one of God's most anointed expository preachers".

I do not what you say, when one of your brothers lies publicly about your own mother. However, I definitely would not defend him as having “unquestionably character.” Perhaps, when someone lies about their mother, they are one of God’s anointed, but are they really one of God’s most anointed? Then again, does Emir even know?

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"Monster" by Peach Stealing Monkeys from PeachStealingMonkeys.com 
"The Bottom" by Josh Woodward from joshwoodward.com
 
Sources

Unveiling Islam Google Books

Norman Geisler's statements
http://www.normangeisler.net/articles/ErgunCaner/

"Ergun Caner’s Secret Biography" Witness Unto Me - March 30, 2010
 http://www.witnessesuntome.com/2010/03/ergun-caners-secret-biography/

"Ergun Caner 2" 2007 NW Baptist Convention - November 14, 2007
http://audio.nwbaptist.org/2007%20NW%20Baptist%20Convention/Ergun%20Caner%202.mp3

“God’s Word,” The Downtown Church: Bellevue, WA – April 19, 2008 http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gods-word/id321185342?i=113186322&mt=2

"Ergun Caner Saturday Morning" Northwest Baptist Youth Ministry Student Conference - May 29, 2009 http://audio.nwbaptist.org/2009%20Student%20Conference/Ergun%20Caner%20Saturday%20Morning.mp3
"Why I am no longer a Muslim" Mt. Airy Bible Church - May 7, 2011   https://vimeo.com/24514727

Cited Links

Tim Lee's statements
http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com/2011/05/after-11-months-liberty-university.html

September 25, 2010 article where Ergun says he did not lie.
http://www2.newsadvance.com/news/2010/sep/25/caner-defends-background-bristol-speech-ar-524525/

The unedited Marine videos on Viddler
http://www.viddler.com/explore/jsin/videos/2/
http://www.viddler.com/explore/jsin/videos/1/

Unedited Marine Videos on Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxmIMR1LNos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpDm3Z9tI-M

Ergun Caner's Apology
http://sbctoday.com/2010/02/25/statement-from-dr-ergun-caner/

Norman Geisler's statements
http://www.normangeisler.net/articles/ErgunCaner/

Ergun Caner: Does Emir Know? - The Review

Previously on Moses Model

Emir converted November 4, 1982

Ergun maintains that he never intentionally misled anyone. What are the odds that I can provide you with two more examples of him claiming he converted the same day that his brother?

Prestonwood Baptist Church, 2001

November 4, 1982

Decatur Baptist Church, January 12, 2005

November 4, 1982

First Baptist Church Pearl City, June 1, 2007

[Indiscernible] It was November 4, 1982.

The Downtown Church, April 19, 2008

I went home, November 4, 1982

Generally Ergun falsely claims to have been a High School Senior in 1982 during his conversion.

First Baptist Church Pearl City, June 1, 2007

He started when we were Freshmen in High School in Gahanna Lincoln High School in Gahanna, Ohio. He did not stop until I was a Senior going into my Senior year.

Canyon Creek Baptist Sermon, July 31, 2011

Started my Freshman year and wouldn’t quit until my Senior year.

C3 Church Sermon, January 1, 2012

Finally going into my Senior year, I decide, ‘You know what? I’ll show you.

Fortress of Faith interview, June 4, 2012

He kept coming and finally going into my Senior year in High School, I decided I’d take him up on his challenge.

If he converted as a High School Senior, the logical inference is that he was a High School graduate a year later when his brothers converted.

What if I can provide you with an example of him claiming to have converted November 4, 1982 with a bonus? What if I can provide you with Ergun saying also that he was in college when his brothers converted?

If all of this is unintentional What are the odds that such an example exists? 


The main point of this video series has been that these errors by Dr. Ergun Caner occur too often and too purposefully to be accidental misstatements. Ergun claims, even today, to have converted in the same year, during the same month, on the same day, and even on the same day of the week as his brother Emir. Let’s say I accept that one was an accident, OK. Ergun also claims to have been a High School Senior, on that day November 4, 1982. OK, let’s say I accept that one was an accident. Ergun also maintains, November 4, 1982 was his fourth year in High School and Jerry had pursued him for four years. He even counts out the years frequently on stage. Let’s say that I accept that Ergun often does not remember his correct graduation year. What are the odds that he would make all these errors in the same sermon? What are the odds that he would consistently make these errors in almost every sermon that I have available to listen to?

What are the odds that he would claim that his brothers converted while he was a Freshman in college too? I hope you see that as you start adding the errors that he consistently makes about himself and others it becomes increasingly unlikely that he made these mistakes accidentally. At this point I am not even really pointing out the three different versions of Emir’s testimony that Ergun provides.

In the introduction to this video, most of the examples I gave of Ergun claiming to have converted his senior year were from 2011 and 2012. I was trying to demonstrate that he has not stopped making false claims. I could have easily pulled more from the sermon that I provided.

Do you want to know why I teach full time? Do you want to know why I am going to be here until I die? Because I love my life. I get to be around those kids everyday. I get to be around kids like, Jerry Tacket. Jerry Tacket was an obnoxious kid trying to earn an awana badge. I don’t know. I don’t know what it was. But beginning in my Freshman year and going until my Senior year, Jerry Tacket never took “no” for an answer.

For 3 ½ years, almost 4 years, Tacket kept coming after me. Dude, do you want to come to the lock-in? Dude, you want to go roller skating? Dude, fifth quarter? Hotdog hogout? Pizza pigout? All those youth things that people do? “No, no, no.”

Freshman year, Sophomore year, Junior year, leave me alone. I have my prayer rug in the locker room and I’d roll it out and I’d be praying. My forehead to the ground, I’d come back up and there he is standing. “Hey!”

I love Jerry, man he’s a punk. I love him, but he’s still my friend. I’m like, dude you were tenacious to say the least. “Hey can I give you a Bible?” “No, I have my Quran.” “Hey, I just want to tell you that Jesus loves you.” “Would you leave me alone?”

Going into my Senior year, I figured I found a way to shut him up. I said, “I’ll go with you to your church, if you come to the mosque.” This High School Senior, this 17 year old boy, named Jerry Tacket, walked to the mosque on Broad Street in Columbus, Ohio. Walked in with a Bible in his hand and a “Jesus Saves” t-shirt. That’s hardcore. That’s hardcore right there. That’s SECW straight. He walked in like this, “Hey, how ya doing, nice to meet ya, nice to meet ya.”

My father goes, “Ergun, who is this kid?” I went over to Tacket and I was like, “Alright.” I walked into the Stelzer Road Baptist Church, in Columbus, Ohio. It might as well have been Calvary Chapel, because I’d never seen it. Never held a Bible, never been in a worship service, never been around Christians. I sat in the back. I didn’t know that the secret of Baptists is that when you sit in the back that is where they all sit. Swhrooom, 20 of them all around me.

You’ll know Baptist in heaven, because Baptists will be the ones going through the gate asking for a bulletin. Because they all had their bulletins They had a hymnal, I didn’t know what a hymnal was. Had a Bible. Didn’t know what that was. I didn’t know why they wouldn’t sit still. Just like you people, stand, sit, turn around, hug a neck kiss a baby. It’s like jeserocise man. Yall won’t hold still.

I was trying to be anonymous sit in the back and there comes Tacket and there comes his friends and there comes all these youth. Four years, they had been going on me. They never gave up.

I chose this one.

I was in college eight months later.

I wanted to provide a long unedited clip. This was the closest one available. If this particular video series was about Ergun claiming to have immigrated to the United States as a teenager, this sermon also had that too.

My father’s name is Acar Mehmet Caner. I say it out loud, because just telling the story, you don’t get to do that often and most Muslims who are Muslims have never met a Murtad. I am a Murtad. I left Islam and became a believer in Jesus Christ.

My father was an Ulema in the mosque. An Ulema is a scholar. He was an architect by vocation. And when we came to America in 78, through Brooklyn, we settled in Columbus, Ohio to build mosques. That is exactly what my father did until the day he died, 1999.

We were not casual Muslims. We were not comfortable Muslims. We were the devout. We wore keffiyeh. We spoke in Arabic and Turkish. We read the Quran. We fasted 40 days during Ramadan. We lived by the rules of Halal and Haram, Mushbuded, dietary restrictions. We prayed five times a day, facing Mecca, [Speaking Arabic] doing our prayer time.

Still, the challenge was to provide one sermon where he said he converted his senior year on November 4, 1982,

November 4, 1982

and he said his brother converted after he went to college

I was in college eight months later. My phone rang. I discovered that both my brothers had gotten saved.

I think I accomplished my goal. The mental backflips that you have to do to explain why Ergun accidentally said all of these false claims in the same sermon are ridiculous.

Sources

“From Jihad to Jesus” 4/26/2010 Focus on the Family broadcast from a 2001 sermon at Prestonwood Baptist Church http://grooveshark.com/#!/s/From+Jihad+To+Jesus/g2QVv?src=5

“Church House or Jail House?” – North Alabama Bible Conference – 2005, Decatur Baptist Church: Decatur, AL – January 12, 2005 http://sermons.decaturbaptist.org/20050112PM.mp3

“General Session #2 - Dr. Ergun Caner” -- First Baptist Church Pearl City – Pearl City, HI - June 1, 2007 http://evangelism.fbcpearlcity.com/resources.html

“God’s Word,” The Downtown Church: Bellevue, WA – April 19, 2008 http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gods-word/id321185342?i=113186322&mt=2

“The Greatest Day in Church”- Calvary Chapel Old Bridge – Old Bridge, NJ – January 25, 2009 http://www.bridgegap.org/e/shop/item.asp?itemid=2958#

“The Samaritan Woman” Canyon Creek Baptist Church – July 31, 2011 http://www.canyoncreekbc.org/resources/online-media.html?controller=studylist&task=download&study=13&media=0

“New Years Day Service” C3 Church: Clayton, North Carolina – January 1, 2012 http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/new-years-day-service-special/id125373478?i=109068443&mt=2

“Interview with Dr Canner Part 2 – Audio” Fortress of Faith – June 3, 2012 http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/new-years-day-service-special/id125373478?i=109068443&mt=2

Music

"The Deadly Year", "The Great Unknown", “Tuba Waddle”, “Hot Salsa”, and "Turkish Dance" from AudioNautix.com

“Ashes” and "The Bottom" by Josh Woodward from joshwoodward.com

"The Owl Named Orion" and "Art of Gardens" by danosongs.com 

Cited Links

Tim Lee's statements
http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com/2011/05/after-11-months-liberty-university.html

September 25, 2010 article where Ergun says he did not lie.
http://www2.newsadvance.com/news/2010/sep/25/caner-defends-background-bristol-speech-ar-524525/

The unedited Marine videos on Viddler
http://www.viddler.com/explore/jsin/videos/2/
http://www.viddler.com/explore/jsin/videos/1/

Unedited Marine Videos on Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxmIMR1LNos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpDm3Z9tI-M

Ergun Caner's Apology
http://sbctoday.com/2010/02/25/statement-from-dr-ergun-caner/

Norman Geisler's statements
http://www.normangeisler.net/articles/ErgunCaner/