After 9/11, Ergun Caner became a popular speaker. However, he was prone to lying about his past. This particular video series deals with the irreconcilable versions that Ergun has presented about his brothers’ conversions. In 2001, he began saying that he converted November 4, 1982 and a year later, he preached a seven minute sermon. That Sunday night his brothers supposedly converted. However, Ergun and his brother Emir wrote a bestselling book. In Unveiling Islam, Ergun converted. His brother, Erdem, converted in their basement. Then a year later, Emir, not Ergun, converted November 4, 1982. Around 2009, he began saying that it was not until he was away at college that he found out his brothers converted.
Now on with the show.
Brian - It is really the battle of between the political correctness or essentially liberalism and Islam. And liberalism can’t battle Islam, because they don’t really even know what they’re up against.
Ergun – They don’t know what to do with someone who believes in absolutes. They have no problem with modern Buddhism which becomes part of the ecology movement. They have no problem with Hinduism, which is part of the environmental movement.
But they have a real problem with Islam, because Islam doesn’t play well with others. They won’t meld. They won’t mesh. They won't dilute. Islam is Islam - and that was me coming to America: a fiery young man - all three of us, the three sons from our mother - all three of us devout Muslims - our father just this hero to us and when I converted - disowned by my family - completely disowned - father cut me out of the pictures - a year later both of my brothers became believers.
All three of us have preached. Myself and my youngest brother, the one who writes with me, we are both presidents of universities and we decided that we would write under our own name, because most of those who write books about Islam, Norman Geisler wrote an incredible book with Abdul Saleeb. Well, Abdul Saleeb means in Arabic, slave of the cross. The use assumed names, because it is the problem. Muslims will say how dare you say these things? And I point out the irony, so you are saying stop saying we are violent or you will kill me.
You know, where do you draw that line? It is why it is easier to make fun of Christians, because Christians won’t fight back.
Brian – Yeah, well I’ll tell you along those lines, when I was living in London, there was a producer in some part of Europe, whether it was Italy or France or somewhere and they made a very blasphemous movie about Christ and they were coming to London to premier the movie and guess what the Muslims stood up and said if you come and show this movie, we will blow up the theater, we will kill you, and of course they changed their mind and decided not to do the premier. I thought that was interesting that we got Muslims coming to the assistance of Christ.
Ergun – And the reason they do so is the Christ that they defend is not the Christ of the Bible. You know Mohammed basically, I get this all the time about the Allah, Jehovah. How do you witness to a Muslim? How do I explain to them? The insider movement, can I say that Allah, I want to tell you about Allah’s son? And I’ve never in twenty years of debates, discussions, interviews, etc, I’ve never met one Muslim who has ever said that the Allah of the Quran is the same as the God the Bible. Never. It’s only glue sniffing Christians who will turn around and say oh come on you know it’s the same God. It is deceptive and it is a lie. Muslims are adamant and Christians should be adamant. They are as adamant as we used to be.
Now there are still people who are very adamant, but by and large Christianity has become C.S. Lewis’s classic, Men without Chests. You know we have no guts.
Brian – You’re not in that category.
Ergun – I don’t you think you are either. But after I lost, you know I lose my family, what else can you lose? I lost my family, my culture, my language, my people. I knew nothing. I’m this kid who never had AWANA, never had Vacation Bible School, never had Sunday School, and now I am a believer in Jesus. For me the first thing you should do is go to the mosque and tell them about this grace. The first thing that you should do is tell everyone that you know. I can’t imagine a silent Christianity.
Brian - Now how was it that your brothers came to faith? Was it through your witness to them or?
Ergun- No, it was through the work of others. It was through the work of others. I was disowned. And I find out that my brothers had become Christians, I'm in college. And so it is what I hammer a lot, about the anonymous, the silent, behind-the-scenes, in the shadows kind of Christians who literally do the work that guys like ourselves cannot do.
Ergun is asked how his brothers came to Christ. He said, he could not witness to his brothers, because he was disowned. He answered that found out his brothers were Christians in college.
This is curious. As you know, Ergun was born in 1966. If he was saved in 1982, as he has claimed, he could not have been any older than 16 years old. Emir has claimed in numerous locations that he was saved, November 4, 1982. Again the oldest Ergun could have been was 16. 16 is not a likely age for a college freshman.
Does Emir know about this?
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Music
"Monster" by Peach Stealing Monkeys from PeachStealingMonkeys.com
"A year later" by Pixt http://dig.ccmixter.org/dig?user=Pitx
"Sticky Bee" and "The Bottom" by Josh Woodward from joshwoodward.com
Sound Effects all provided by Freesound.org
Sources
Unveiling Islam Google Books
Pastor's Perspective - January 22, 2010 - http://backtobasicsradio.com/blog/44-blog/181-pastors-perspective
Cited Links
Tim Lee's statements
http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com/2011/05/after-11-months-liberty-university.html
September 25, 2010 article where Ergun says he did not lie.
http://www2.newsadvance.com/news/2010/sep/25/caner-defends-background-bristol-speech-ar-524525/
The unedited Marine videos on Viddler
http://www.viddler.com/explore/jsin/videos/2/
http://www.viddler.com/explore/jsin/videos/1/
Unedited Marine Videos on Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxmIMR1LNos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpDm3Z9tI-M
Ergun Caner's Apology
http://sbctoday.com/2010/02/25/statement-from-dr-ergun-caner/
Norman Geisler's statements
http://www.normangeisler.net/articles/ErgunCaner/
Obviously Emir knows everything. I would have liked to have been present when Ergun and Emir first talked about the new personality that Ergun had donned. That had to have been interesting. It seems to me that he sort of slipped into the problem rather than being part of the original plan. Maybe it is an example of the "slippery slope" that I keep hearing about.
ReplyDeleteEmir has managed to stay pretty much isolated from Ergun's claims. Personally, I think he is getting off way too light. He should have to disavow or defend them since he was there--where ever "there" is.
You would think, but I am learning to never underestimate how someone's mind works. That is the whole point of this series. Ergun gives three different versions of Emir's conversion. Does Emir even know? Perhaps some youtube videos can inform him.
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