Showing posts with label mother smuggling. Show all posts
Showing posts with label mother smuggling. Show all posts

Wednesday, May 1, 2013

Ergun is continuing to claim that he immigrated as a teenager with a polygamous father


I had an interesting discussion on twitter the other day with a supporter of Ergun's.  This supporter assures me that to the best of his knowledge, Ergun is continuing to claim that he immigrated as a teenager with a polygamous father.  This supporter stands by his Christian brother's word.

I am tired and want to go to bed, so for why this is not true let me refer you to my mother smuggling series.  Still, it is refreshing for someone to say, sure he claimed to those Marines that he immigrated to America as a teenager.  There was no misstatement.



Correction - The person involved in the above twitter discussion has informed me that they are not a "fan" of Ergun's, but a brother in Christ and a supporter. Changes have been made to reflect more accurately their position.

Wednesday, April 17, 2013

Ergun Caner Has Two Daddies



Sometimes Ergun's lies surprise even me. In this video, we see him call his imam, "my father." We see him continue to misidentify everyone in the picture, but himself. He even names two family members he doesn't even have. Then he says that this picture that was taken in Turkey rather than Ohio. All of these factual statements that were self contradictory, Ergun maintains were unintentional misstatements that happen to every preacher. If all preachers are preaching this kind of nonsense, it does not give me much confidence in my own minister.

Complete Transcript

This was my father, the one I spoke of yesterday, Acar Mehmet Caner. I am the second from him, that is one of my half sisters, one of my half brothers, and one other of my father’s children. I am the knock kneed child sitting there with my father. This was in Turkey. This was in Istanbul.

1979, Ergun Caner with his imam and other children
Ergun now claims that almost all of that was an unintentional misstatement, just like most preachers make. Man that inspires a lot of confidence in my minister. Welcome to another video on Mother Smuggling.

Around 2004, someone uploaded this picture to Ergun’s website with the caption, “Dr. Caner in the Mosque with his father”. Now, if my memory serves

Ergun couldn’t upload pictures to his own website in 2005 when he came to the Seminary. Since this caption probably wasn’t written by Ergun himself, one might think that it was a clerical error. However this brings us to his statement in 2006.

This was my father, the one I spoke of yesterday

Muslims live in enclaves. We travel together, because this is necessary for us. It is necessary for us, because we live differently, dress differently, look differently. I was the oldest. My father brought his wives with him. Yes, polygamous Muslims do come to America. We call it the Abraham lie. They say, “This is my wife, and this is my sister.”
Erguncaner.com in 2004

This man is not Ergun’s father. This is Ergun’s father. Acar did not have grey hair when Ergun was this young. The man in this picture is Ergun’s imam as seen posing in this picture with Ergun’s father.

OK, you might be asking yourself, if I am being too picky. Perhaps all of this was a collection of misstatements. Well, let us continue.

I am the second from him, that is one of my half sisters,

Acar with his three sons
This young lady who is taller than Ergun is not his half-sister. Ergun is thirteen years older than his oldest half-sister. When this picture was most likely taken she was still in diapers. Besides, even though his half-sisters were born in 1979 and 1980, years before his disownment in 1982, Unveiling Islam states that Ergun Caner never met his half-sisters till 1999 at his father’s death.

OK, now you might be saying, OK, he mislabeled the imam on the website and in this sermon and he misidentified a girl as his half-sister, but could all this be unintentional misstatements? Well, again, let us continue.

one of my half brothers

Ergun and his two brothers


This young man is not Ergun’s half-brother. Ergun has no half-brothers. Don’t believe me? Norman Geisler said the following in his defense of Ergun.

7. Ergun claimed his father had many wives and two half-brothers and two half-sisters, but there is no evidence for the half-brothers.

Response: Ergun’s father did have two wives, having divorced the first one. He had three sons by his first wife (Ergun and his two brothers). So, Ergun has two full brothers and two step-sisters (from his father’s second wife). While speaking quickly on one occasion, he mistakenly called his brothers his “half” brothers. This is hardly evidence of an attempt to embellish or deceive. After all, he had the right number of each sibling, and he didn’t claim to have ten brothers or sisters!


This gentleman is neither Erdem or Emir as you can see from this picture. Hopefully by now the errors are beginning to add up to you and you can see that these were not accidental. Well, let us move on to one more.

and one other of my father’s children


Acar only had five children and according to Ergun these are four of them. Seriously, just like the previous child this is not one of Ergun’s half-brothers or brothers. His half-brothers do not exist and neither of his brothers had dark curly hair.

Well, moving on.

I am the knock kneed child sitting there with my father. This was in Turkey. This was in Istanbul.


According to Ergun’s parents’ separation agreement, Ergun was forbidden to leave the country as of April 1978. He couldn’t even be taken out of Ohio without notifying the Franklin County Court. This is important. Let me tell you why.

Ergun no longer claims that man was his father. This was simply an unintentional misstatement. He no longer claims that his father was polygamous. This was simply an unintentional misstatement. Ergun no longer claims that young woman was his half-sister. This was simply an unintentional misstatement. Ergun no longer claims that this young man was his half-brother. This was simply an unintentional misstatement. Ergun no longer claims that this other young man was one of his father’s other children. This was simply an unintentional misstatement.

Ergun also no longer claims that this picture was taken in Istanbul or anywhere else in Turkey for that matter. In 2008, Ergun posted this picture to his facebook account. In 2004, the caption on his website read, “Dr. Caner in the Mosque with his father”. Yet, in 2008 the facebook caption read, “1979 - In the Mosque. An Imam is like a pastor - I am the second kid from the left.”

If this picture was taken in 1979, after Ergun was forbidden to leave the country, this could not be

in Turkey. This was in Istanbul

It is important to point out that this is what Ergun often means by the word, misstatement. It is often not one detail in a sentence that he has presented incorrectly. Many times it is a several sentences in a row with no basis in reality.

How does Ergun explain all these errors about a simple childhood picture? Well, Ergun speaks hundreds of times a year. Errors creep in. Many times, he called this man his father. Many times, he called this girl his half-sister. Many times he called these boys his half-brothers. Many times he said this picture was taken in Istanbul. Given sufficient retellings eventually all of these errors were eventually made at the same time coincidentally the day after he called his father a “polygamous Muslim” who smuggled his wives across the border calling them his sisters.

Or maybe he just lied.

Thank you for watching.

Thank you to the original research done by Dr. James White who made this video possible.

Music

"Haunted Forest" by soundcloud.com

Cited Links

Tim Lee's statements
http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com/2011/05/after-11-months-liberty-university.html

September 25, 2010 article where Ergun says he did not lie.
http://www2.newsadvance.com/news/2010/sep/25/caner-defends-background-bristol-speech-ar-524525/

The unedited Marine videos on Viddler
http://www.viddler.com/explore/jsin/videos/2/
http://www.viddler.com/explore/jsin/videos/1/

Unedited Marine Videos on Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxmIMR1LNos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpDm3Z9tI-M

Ergun Caner's Apology
http://sbctoday.com/2010/02/25/statement-from-dr-ergun-caner/

Norman Geisler's statements
http://www.normangeisler.net/articles/ErgunCaner/

PS - The sources of these videos are not online. However, an extended context can be found here.

Monday, April 15, 2013

Exonerated Series

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I am working on the fifth video in my series on Ergun's claims that his father was a "polygamous Muslim".  There are still more videos to come after that one.

Here is the latest one.

Saturday, April 6, 2013

Ergun Caner calls his father the "p" word



When Ergun's lies were originally coming out, a defender of Ergun was like sure he said that his father had "other wives", had "many wives", that his mother "found out late in her marriage that my father was married to more than one woman", had "more than one wife at a time", had three wives at the same time, smuggled his extra wives across the border calling them his sisters, but did Ergun ever use the word "polygamous"? Well here we have him saying that his father was a "polygamous Muslim". If all of these were just misstatements, what are the odds that I can produce more examples?

Transcript


OK, let me explain. No there is too much. Let me sum up. In Sweden, Acar Caner married Ergun’s mother. Ergun was born first in 1966. Erdem was born second in 1968. Then they picked up the family and moved to Ohio where Emir was born in 1970.

The marriage was troubled so Acar moved out around 1975. The divorce was finalized around 1978. Shortly thereafter, Acar remarried. He had two daughters from this second marriage.

No one disputes this. However, I have provided several examples of Ergun publicly misleading people to the contrary.

Example number one, in 2003, at a Chicago church, Ergun said the following.
My mother found out late in her marriage that my father was married to more than one woman. I don’t want anyone else to deal with this.

Example Number two, in 2005, Ergun said the following while lecturing Marines at Marine Corp Air Station New River

My father had more than one wife at a time. As you know the Quran says in Surah four that you are allowed up to four wives. My father had three.

Example Number three, in the same lecture, Ergun doubled down.

We got stopped at the border, because my father had listed my mother as property. It’s true. And the guy said, “Your wife’s not property.” And he said, “of course she is.” Then he brought his “sisters” which is his other wives that’s how we bring in our other wives to America. We call them our “sisters”.

Example Number four, a couple of months later, Ergun went back to the church in Chicago and said the following.

I came over during the Iranian crisis. Ayatollah Khomeini had taken control. The Shaw of Iran had been kicked out. And Ayatollah Khomeini said this, “We will not stop until America is an Islamic nation.” So in 1978, my father, my mother, my two brothers, my father’s other wives, and my half-brothers and sisters came to this country. How is it that Muslims can come to this country with other wives? Well it is called the Abraham lie. “This is my sister.” It explains our last names being the same. And so he would say, “This is my sisters.”

Remember coming to America in 1978, his father being married to many wives at the same time, his father smuggling these wives across the border as sisters, having half brothers…all of this Ergun maintains that he never meant to say. Supposedly he never meant for people to believe any of those things.

Well here we come to example number five, September 2006 at an apologetics conference in California. Warning, this clip will be longer for greater context and irony.

It isn’t just, it is a rare person who gets led to Christ by reading a book, by reading a testimony. Those things are great supplements, but almost inevitably it needs the human touch, a Christian, a sold out, a born again, a blood bought, Jesus loving, devil shoving, Christian, who is willing to, with boldness and with heart, rise up and tell them, “I know your answer.” “I know the one for whom you’re seeking.

Paul lives this out in front of us. He begins with what I call authentic Christianity. And you can see it beginning there in verse two, when it says he speaks to them in the Hebrew dialect and they all got quiet.

And he doesn’t begin by going, “I am better than all of thee.” No, Paul begins by saying, “Yall know me.” “Yall know me.” That’s authentic Christianity. That’s transparent Christianity. It doesn’t point to us. It points to Him. He even in the middle of it goes, “Those men there, the council and the elders, the Sanhedrin, the leadership, they know that I used to be the hunter”. “I was Dog the Bounty Hunter and now I stand with those I used to hunt.” “I was holding their coats when they were stoning Stephen.”

With transparency, with painful authenticity, the apostle Paul says, “Yall know me.” “It is not about me.” “It is about the one I met.” One of the things that holds us back from revolutionizing the world sometimes is us. We get all caught up in who we are and fight over things we shouldn’t fight over and we argue over things that are not necessarily the important points of the gospel. We argue about what we should wear in church whether the choir ought to have robes and neglecting the fact that there are people outside doors of that church on the way to a devil’s hell and they don’t care what color the robes are.

I hated you. That may be harsh, but as Dr. Hayes told you, my madrasa – my training center – was in Beirut before I came to America. We came as missionaries to you. My father was a muezzin, the one who does the prayer in the mosque. Five times a day he would climb to the top of a minaret and begin, [different language] and he would do the call to prayer. He was also an architect so we built mosques. And so we came to America – it was ’78. Ayatollah Khomeini had said, we will not stop until America is an Islamic nation and we came and we continue to come.

Anything I knew about Christianity, I learned through misconception and caricature. I knew nothing about you, had never been in a church, had never been outside of the mosque. Anything I knew about you, I learned through either television, hyperbole, gossip, but I did know this. I hated you and I thought you hated me.

Muslims live in enclaves. We travel together, because this is necessary for us. It is necessary for us, because we live differently, dress differently, look differently. I was the oldest. My father brought his wives with him. Yes, polygamous Muslims do come to America. We call it the Abraham lie. They say, “This is my wife, and this is my sister.”

And everybody goes aren’t they so family oriented. Yeah. And we moved from Brooklyn, New York near the Verrazano Bridge to Toledo, Ohio, Toledo, Ohio to Columbus, Ohio and it was there where my father built the mosque working with the other Muslims.

Now it is different than the way we do it here in America. It is different than the way the church does it. Yall know how we do it in the church when we are going to build something? We get together and we get a slogan. Somebody gets a slogan and we gather the people together and we show them a blueprint. Then somebody draws a thermometer.

Did you hear that?

Muslims live in enclaves. We travel together, because this is necessary for us. It is necessary for us, because we live differently, dress differently, look differently. I was the oldest. My father brought his wives with him. Yes, polygamous Muslims do come to America. We call it the Abraham lie. They say, “This is my wife, and this is my sister.”

And everybody goes aren’t they so family oriented. Yeah. And we moved from Brooklyn, New York near the Verrazano Bridge to Toledo, Ohio, Toledo, Ohio to Columbus, Ohio and it was there where my father built the mosque…

No one disagrees with what he said,

I was the oldest. My father brought his wives with him. Yes, polygamous Muslims do come to America. We call it the Abraham lie. They say, “This is my wife, and this is my sister.”
The contention is with what he meant.

Ergun wants you to believe that when he referred to his father as a “polygamous Muslim”,

My father brought his wives with him. Yes, polygamous Muslims do come to America.

he had no intention that you would believe that his father was a “polygamous Muslim”.

My father brought his wives with him. Yes, polygamous Muslims do come to America.

Remember Ergun concedes that his father was not polygamous, he and his defenders simply argue that he never intentionally said anything to the contrary. Stay tuned to Moses Model to hear more examples of Ergun saying things to the contrary. Remember shares, likes, and subscriptions really help get the word out. Also, any critiques and recommendations are welcome.

Sources

Some of these links may be broken.  If so email me for unedited sources. 

"20 Things You Must Know to Witness to a Muslim" - Ashburn Baptist Church - Chicago, Il - March 2, 2003 Link

"Base Theater" - Marine Corp Air Station New River - New River, NC - April 15, 2005 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpDm3Z9tI-M

"Dr. Ergun Caner and the Teen Choir and Orchestra from the First Baptist Church of Jacksonville, Florida - A" - Ashburn Baptist Church - Chicago, Il - June 3, 2005 Link

Music

"Haunted Forest" by soundcloud.com
"A year ago" by Pixt http://dig.ccmixter.org/dig?user=Pitx
"Handyman's Lament" by Josh Woodward from joshwoodward.com
Sound Effects provided by soundbible.com and shockwave-sound.com

Cited Links

Tim Lee's statements
http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com/2011/05/after-11-months-liberty-university.html

September 25, 2010 article where Ergun says he did not lie.
http://www2.newsadvance.com/news/2010/sep/25/caner-defends-background-bristol-speech-ar-524525/

The unedited Marine videos on Viddler
http://www.viddler.com/explore/jsin/videos/2/
http://www.viddler.com/explore/jsin/videos/1/

Unedited Marine Videos on Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxmIMR1LNos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpDm3Z9tI-M

Ergun Caner's Apology
http://sbctoday.com/2010/02/25/statement-from-dr-ergun-caner/

Norman Geisler's statements
http://www.normangeisler.net/articles/ErgunCaner/

Tuesday, January 29, 2013

Ergun lies about his facebook photo

Preaching in 2006, Ergun described this picture in a sermon this way.  

This was my father, the one I spoke of yesterday, Acar Mehmet Caner. I am the second from him, that is one of my half sisters, one of my half brothers, and one other of my father’s children.  I am the knock kneed child sitting there with my father. This was in Turkey.  This was in Istanbul. 
However on his facebook page he describes the same picture this way.


1979 - In the Mosque. An Imam is like a pastor - I am the second kid from the left.
One, Ergun's half sisters were not born until after the divorce in 1978.  This young woman is taller than the 12-13 year old Ergun in this picture.  She must be a fast grower for an infant.  Two, in a sermon the day before, Ergun claimed that he immigrated to America in 1978.  Here he is saying that this picture was taken in Istanbul.  Ergun was forbidden to travel to Istanbul by the custody arrangement.  Three, that man in the picture is not Acar, it is the imam of the mosque.  Acar was not an imam.  At best he was a muezzin.  Four, Dr. Norman Geisler argued that while speaking quickly on one occasion, Ergun accidentally said he had half-brothers.  Well, for one occasion, I keep finding more examples.  Then there is this other kid who is identified as "one other of my father’s children."

I am going to make a video about this, hopefully soon.  Thank you to Mokan at fakeexmuslims.com.  He has done more work on this than anyone else.  Christian, Muslim, and Atheist, we owe him a debt of gratitude.  Also thank you to James White, without his research I would not have found this sermon.  

Update - The video has been made and can be found here. http://mosesmodel.blogspot.com/2013/04/ergun-caner-has-two-daddies.html

Saturday, January 19, 2013

John Ankerberg's 2013 statement

I guess I need to keep the Mother Smuggling videos coming.  John does know that Ergun claimed his father smuggled women across the border right?
Why I Invited Emir Caner and Ergun Caner to The John Ankerberg Show

Those of you who watch our program know that in the past I have invited Muslim and Christian scholars to debate the truth claims of Islam and Christianity. In one such debate, I invited Muslim authorities Dr. Jamal Badawi, Chairman of the Islamic Information Foundation, Halifax, Nova Scotia, and Dr. Hussein Morsi, Director of the Islamic Cultural Center of Chicago, Illinois to come and debate Christian authorities Dr. Gleason Archer who received his Ph.D. from Harvard University and Dr. Anis Shorrosh, a Palestinian Arab Christian.

Today, as a result of watching world events, people can see Islam is expanding. In the Middle East we have watched many countries become Islamic Sates and implement Sharia law as the law of their land. Many see this expansion as a threat to individual freedoms and basic human rights. After the United Nations, the Organization Of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) is the largest inter-governmental body in the world, overseeing 57 Muslim member countries. According to the OIC’s website, the organization "is the collective voice of all causes close to the heart of over 1.5 billion Muslims." In 1990 this body adopted the Cairo Declaration, "which officially exempted all Muslim countries from compliance with the UN Universal declaration on human rights and replaced it with Islamic law (Sharia)." The agenda of this group has been to use the United Nations to criminalize criticism of Islam.

All of this has raised many questions that need to be addressed. To help inform, encourage, and instruct the Christian church, I recently extended an invitation to two former Muslims, Dr. Emir Caner and Dr. Ergun Caner, to be guests on our television program. The goal was to answer such questions as: What are Christians experiencing in countries where Sharia law has become the law of the land? Why is Sharia so important to Muslims? What is Sharia? Where did it come from? What is it that makes Sharia so dangerous to Western society? Sharia not only dictates how Muslims should live, but also how Muslims should treat non-Muslims. What impact is Sharia having on Great Britain and other European countries?

Muslim imams (religious leaders of local mosques) in the UK now outnumber the UK’s Christian pastors. There are now more than 1,700 official mosques in Britain. Why has the UK allowed the establishment of 85 Sharia councils (said to have tried some 7,000 cases decided up through 2010) and five Muslim arbitration tribunals in the United Kingdom? These Muslim arbitration tribunals operate under the United Kingdom’s arbitration act of 1996, and therefore their rulings are binding under UK law –even though some of these rulings are contrary to UK law. Further, these tribunals are not providing the legal safeguards many Western court systems have.

For Americans, which Islamic organizations in America are working to establish Sharia law in our nation? How successful have they been? What have they accomplished? Finally, the role of women in Islam is of extreme concern to many in the world. More than 700 million Muslim women live under the teachings of Muhammad, and Islam is a religion that covers everything in their lives from the cradle to the grave. What does Sharia law require of Islamic women? How has it been applied historically and how is it being applied today?

I believe Drs. Emir and Ergun Caner are two men uniquely qualified to speak about these topics. They are both former Sunni Muslims who grew up in a home where their father built mosques in America. They became Christians as teenagers while living in Columbus, Ohio, and have since obtained doctoral degrees in theology or history, and now teach at Christian universities. They have also taught in countries overseas and are in communication with Christians currently living in Islamic States. Both have authored numerous books that speak about the differences between Christianity and Islam from a Christian perspective. Emir and I have also co-authored three books together: The Truth about Islam and Jesus, The Truth about Islam and Women, and The Truth about Islam and Jihad.

Emir’s educational background includes a Bachelor of Arts in Biblical Studies from The Criswell College in Dallas, Texas, where he graduated summa cum laude in 1993. He followed in 1995 with a Master of Divinity from Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary in Wake Forest, North Carolina, and earned a Doctor of Philosophy in History in 1999 from the University of Texas at Arlington. Emir served as pastor and in staff positions in churches in Ohio, North Carolina, Virginia and Texas for a decade before entering higher education.

From 1999 to 2004 he was Assistant Professor of Church History and Anabaptist Studies at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary and during the 2004-2005 academic year, he served as the seminary's Associate Dean of Southeastern College at Wake Forest as well. In 2005 he became the founding Dean of The College at Southwestern, Director of the Center for Free Church Studies and Professor of History at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in Fort Worth, Texas, and remained there until he accepted the call of Truett-McConnell College to become its eighth president in August 2008. A prolific writer, Dr. Caner has written or contributed to 18 books. Unveiling Islam, co-authored with Ergun, received the Gold Medallion Book of the Year award, has sold nearly 200,000 copies.

Ergun’s educational background includes a Masters degree from The Criswell College, a Master of Divinity and a Master of Theology from Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary, and a Doctor of Theology from the University of South Africa. From 2003-2011, Ergun served at Liberty Baptist Theological Seminary, including serving as President during this time. In 2011, he became Provost and Vice President of Academic Affairs at Arlington Bible College in Arlington, Texas, where he also serves as a professor. He has co-authored numerous books with Emir and speaks at events across the U.S. and worldwide.

Some have questioned our invitation to Dr. Ergun Caner in light of attacks from extreme Muslims and others who spread rumors and accusations in 2010 claiming he was not a devout Muslim and challenging some of his spoken statements about his background. These accusations were addressed by an independent committee at Liberty University, that concluded with a June 29, 2010 statement that read: “After a thorough and exhaustive review of Dr. Caner’s public statements, a committee consisting of four members of Liberty University’s Board of Trustees has concluded that Dr. Caner had made factual statements that are self-contradictory. However, the Committee found no evidence to suggest that Dr. Caner was not a Muslim who converted to Christianity as a teenager…. [After a thorough review of 200 hours of his lectures and sermons, only about 5 minutes of which were in question] Liberty stated, Dr. Caner will remain on the faculty of Liberty Baptist Theological Seminary as a Professor.”

Apologist and founder of Veritas Seminary, Dr. Norman Geisler, has defended and thoroughly documented the information surrounding these accusations against Dr. Ergun Caner in two articles freely available online: http://www.normangeisler.net/articles/ErgunCaner/default.htm.

Here is an example from Dr. Geisler's article of a factual statement that Ergun made that was self-contradictory. Ergun claims he was saved in 1982 but also claims his brother Emir was converted in 1982, yet elsewhere Emir’s conversion is said to be a year later (1983).

Response: Both men agree that Emir was saved a year after Ergun. There is some confusion about the exact year. Given that Ergun was converted in 1982 (as he claims), this would put Emir’s conversion “a year later” (as they both acknowledge). Again, there is no intention to deceive here but simply a problem of memory about exact dates.

Dr. Geisler concluded: “Having examined all these charges against Dr. Caner carefully and having looked at the related evidence, I can say without hesitation that all of the moral charges against Dr. Caner are unsubstantiated. Further, no one had demonstrated moral intent on any of the factual misstatements he made (which we all make).” He added, “Dr. Caner is a man of honesty, integrity, and loyalty to Christ.”

Also, “Kregel Publications concluded that the Kregel titles by Dr. Caner are trustworthy, factually accurate, and helpful to both Christians and seekers wanting to know more about Islamic beliefs and how those beliefs compare and contrast with biblical Christianity.” (Kregel, July 6, 2010)

Since no credible evidence was supplied to suggest that Ergun's ability to instruct or communicate the information related to his areas of expertise was found, I had no concerns in inviting him as a guest.

Both Drs. Ergun and Emir Caner have stood against much persecution as a result of converting to Christianity from a Muslim background. Initially, their father disowned these men after Ergun and Emir became Christians, though many of their immediate family members later converted to Christianity. However, many who dislike their teachings continue to use accusations to cause problems that would limit their ability to communicate the gospel message.

Let me be clear. I believe the information you will hear these men present on our television programs is truthful and is fully documented in the Qur’an and the Hadith. I hope that you will join us to watch these programs when they air.

I believe that Jesus Christ claimed to be God, and proved He was telling the truth about who he was by performing miracles and literally resurrecting from the dead. Muhammad, some 550 years after Christ lived, taught a false picture of Jesus that is not supported by the historical evidence. It is my desire to help present the truths Jesus taught, and specifically the gospel—that Jesus, who was God in human flesh, died for everyone's sins while on the cross, and will forgive and give eternal life to anyone who admits they are a sinner and will place their faith in Him. He offers this gift freely to all sinners; it is not based on any of our good works. Jesus was more than a prophet; he is the risen Son of God who alone provides eternal life (John 3:16, John 14:6).

Available here on John Ankerberg's forum

HT Shinar Squirrel

PS - "After a thorough review of 200 hours of his lectures and sermons, only about 5 minutes of which were in question." In my Mother Smuggling series alone, I have more than 5 minutes of material in question and there are still more videos to make.

Ergun is done being silent

For Ergun calling people Pharisees, gay, and posing with a Congressman is being silent.  I would love to hear more about how your father smuggled his wives across the border calling them his sisters. 

Tuesday, January 15, 2013

Yeah, Ms4 script is done.

I just wanted to make sure that I make this point again.  Everything in yellow is quotes from Ergun.  All these quotes will be backed up with unedited sources.  So far I have devoted three videos to the quotes on the first page. 

Ergun's supporters don't seem to want to quote Ergun.  When I accuse Ergun, I provide long transcripts and unedited source material. 


Seriously, it should scare you that this guy frequents pulpits and is trusted across the country. It should scare you that he had access to military bases. Also, it should scare you that people have listened to the same quotes we have and do not regard them as lies.

If all of these are just misstatements, what are the odds that I can provide more examples of Ergun claiming his father was guilty of mother smuggling?

Monday, January 14, 2013

Mother Smuggling and Ergun Caner - Again




OK, let me explain. No there is too much. Let me sum up. In Sweden, Acar Caner married Ergun’s mother. Ergun was born first in 1966. Erdem was born second in 1968. Then they picked up the family and moved to Ohio where Emir was born in 1970.

The marriage was troubled so Acar moved out around 1975. The divorce was finalized around 1978. Shortly thereafter, Acar remarried. He had two daughters from this second marriage.

Nobody disputes this. However, we saw in the first episode that in 2003, Ergun claimed the following

My mother found out late in her marriage that my father was married to more than one woman. I don’t want anyone else to deal with this.

Also, April 2005, there were these at Marine Corp Air Station New River

My father had more than one wife at a time. As you know the Quran says in Surah four that you are allowed up to four wives. My father had three.

And

We got stopped at the border, because my father had listed my mother as property. It’s true. And the guy said, “Your wife’s not property.” And he said, “of course she is.” Then he brought his “sisters” which is his other wives that’s how we bring in our other wives to America. We call them our “sisters”.

If these were all accidental misstatements, what are the odds that I can provide more examples? Let’s fast forward to the first weekend of June 2005. Ergun was preaching a conference at Ashburn Baptist in Chicago, Illinois. Remember the 2003 example?

My mother found out late in her marriage that my father was married to more than one woman. I don’t want anyone else to deal with this.

This is the same church. What are the odds that he will repeat that his father was polygamous. First, Ergun claimed to have grown up in Turkey.

What’s amazing is we keep finding out about each other that are so vastly different. We are the exact polar opposites. Don’t ever let anyone tell you that opposites can’t make it work. They can. Anybody else here who is married to a polar opposite? I mean an absolute, and it works somehow. Usually, it works, because the husband gives in, but on occasion. I have learned this, because we have lived even as Christians with misconceptions.

I had misconceptions about you. Even before I was a Christian, even before I came to America, even before I came to your country as a missionary of Islam. The only American television I saw was all I knew about America. I watched American baseball, from WGN here in Chicago. They somehow shipped it and we got Chicago Cubs baseball. I thought the purpose of American baseball was to lose, because every time I saw them play. This is Ron Santo days for all those Chicago Cubs fans.

I watched American football, I didn’t understand this, because if you pick it up, it is not a football anymore is it? I watched Dukes of Hazzard. I wanted to marry Daisy. I wanted to live in the Boars Nest. We watched Andy Griffith. Loved Andy Griffith, but I thought that all of America was Mayberry, and we came to America through Brooklyn, New York. But my favorite show came out of Georgia, because Atlanta, Georgia, small television station there was shipping its tapes to Europe and Turkey being half-Persian and half-European we would receive these tapes and they didn’t need to be translated and every two weeks, we got to watch Georgia Championship Wrestling and I thought it was real. Because nobody told me it was fake. And I thought Americans were tough. You guys got hit in the head with shoes and chains and you would get up again. I had misconceptions about you.

If you would like more examples of Ergun claiming to have grown up in Turkey watching American television you can click on this video. However let us get to some mother smuggling.

I came over during the Iranian crisis. Ayatollah Khomeini had taken control. The Shaw of Iran had been kicked out. And Ayatollah Khomeini said this, “We will not stop until America is an Islamic nation.” So in 1978, my father, my mother, my two brothers, my father’s other wives, and my half-brothers and sisters came to this country. How is it that Muslims can come to this country with other wives? Well it is called the Abraham lie. “This is my sister.” It explains our last names being the same. And so he would say, “This is my sisters.”

We settled in Brooklyn, New York, moved to Columbus, Ohio for the express purpose of what? My father was an architect and we built mosques. We would build mosques and my father in the mosque on Fridays, climbed to the top of the minaret. And there at the top of the minaret that long tower, he would begin, “[foreign language]”. The call to prayer. It’s my father’s job. It’s called a muezzin.

Ergun has no half-brothers. Do you remember Dr. Norman Geisler’s explanation for the half-brother claims?

Ergun’s father did have two wives, having divorced the first one. He had three sons by his first wife (Ergun and his two brothers). So, Ergun has two full brothers and two step-sisters (from his father’s second wife). While speaking quickly on one occasion, he mistakenly called his brothers his “half” brothers. This is hardly evidence of an attempt to embellish or deceive. After all, he had the right number of each sibling, and he didn’t claim to have ten brothers or sisters!

Obviously this was not Ergun speaking quickly. In his second to last sermon of the conference, he doubled down on both.

I have half-brothers and half-sisters in Chicago in New York and in Turkey who live here who are still lost as geese still in the slavery of Islam. But I will not give up. How dare I give up. My father died in 99. His wives are still alive. How dare I give up. My half-sisters are still alive. How dare I give up. My half-brothers, my uncles, my aunts. How dare I give up. He didn’t give up on me. He didn’t stop. God didn’t stop hunting me down.

Ergun knows that he has no half-brothers. He knows that his father was only married to one woman at a time. These sound like definite lies to me.

What are the odds that I can provide more examples of Ergun claiming his father was involved in mother smuggling?

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Sources

"20 Things You Must Know to Witness to a Muslim" - Ashburn Baptist Church - Chicago, Il - March 2, 2003 Link

"Base Theater" - Marine Corp Air Station New River - New River, NC - April 15, 2005 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpDm3Z9tI-M

"Dr. Ergun Caner and the Teen Choir and Orchestra from the First Baptist Church of Jacksonville, Florida - A" - Ashburn Baptist Church - Chicago, Il - June 3, 2005 Link

"Dr. Ergun Caner and the Teen Choir and Orchestra from the First Baptist Church of Jacksonville, Florida - C" - Ashburn Baptist Church - Chicago, Il - June 5, 2005 Link

Music

The incredible remix of the Andy Griffith theme provided by MisterMasterMusic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfUMsaYkufk
"Test Drive" by Zapac http://ccmixter.org/files/Zapac/26047
"A year ago" and "Chords for David" by Pixt http://dig.ccmixter.org/dig?user=Pitx
"Gloria" by Snowflake http://ccmixter.org/files/snowflake/22692


Cited Links

Tim Lee's statements
http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com/2011/05/after-11-months-liberty-university.html

September 25, 2010 article where Ergun says he did not lie.
http://www2.newsadvance.com/news/2010/sep/25/caner-defends-background-bristol-speech-ar-524525/

The unedited Marine videos on Viddler
http://www.viddler.com/explore/jsin/videos/2/
http://www.viddler.com/explore/jsin/videos/1/

Unedited Marine Videos on Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxmIMR1LNos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpDm3Z9tI-M

Ergun Caner's Apology
http://sbctoday.com/2010/02/25/statement-from-dr-ergun-caner/

Norman Geisler's statements
http://www.normangeisler.net/articles/ErgunCaner/

Tuesday, January 8, 2013

Things come full circle with Dr. Ankerberg

For those of you who are new to the Ergun saga, let me sum up.  Ergun and Emir did several interviews with Dr. John Ankerberg.  There were some discrepancies.  Later, John released a statement during the midst of the Ergun scandal.

To Whom It May Concern:

I have known Ergun Caner for nearly a decade. I am disheartened by the recent attacks upon his integrity and character. I have interviewed Ergun for more than a dozen television shows and believe his personal testimony to be completely true. Otherwise, I would not have allowed him to broadcast his story to the millions of viewers that tune in to my program across the globe. Ergun and his brother, Emir, are men of God who have taken a valiant stand for the Lord, even costing them and their families their safety. For someone to attack Ergun’s selfless sacrifice, especially since they malign his character without any substantiation, is both unchristian and unbiblical. Count me among the many who will stand with Ergun Caner, knowing he stands for the Lord Jesus Christ.

Sincerely,
Dr. John F. Ankerberg
President
Today, Ergun, John, and Emir, began filming for six shows that will air in over 200 countries. 

One, I agree that to "malign his character without any substantiation" would be morally wrong.  This is why on this blog, I have tried to transcribe Ergun's lies extensively.  I have tried to demonstrate that these are not one time misstatements, but a pattern of repeated behavior.  Mother Smuggling, Does Emir Know?, Ergun Caner, Porn, and the Champion 2002, Is Norman Geisler calling Ergun Caner a liar? and Apologist Acrobats and Andy Griffith are probably the best examples from me.  Also with probably only two exceptions, I have provided the unedited source material so that you can listen for yourself. 

Two, why is Ergun back on the Ankerberg show without apologizing for lying to the Marines in New River?  Where are the big name pastors warning people about Ergun Caner?  People have told me that they pray for Ergun, asking that God would bring him to repentance.   Prayer can be effective, but before the scandal, Ergun probably had more people praying for him than today.  God has waited over a decade without warning most people about Ergun.  His popularity is climbing again, not decreasing. 

Mother Smuggling and Ergun Caner - USMC


OK, let me explain. No there is too much. Let me sum up. In Sweden, Acar Caner married Ergun’s mother. Ergun was born first in 1966. Erdem was born second in 1968. Then they picked up the family and moved to Ohio where Emir was born in 1970.

The marriage was troubled so Acar moved out around 1975. The divorce was finalized around 1978. Shortly thereafter, Acar remarried. He had two daughters from this second marriage.

Nobody disputes this. However, we saw in the last episode that in 2003, Ergun claimed the following

My mother found out late in her marriage that my father was married to more than one woman. I don’t want anyone else to deal with this.

If this was an accidental misstatement, what are the odds that I can provide additional examples of Ergun claiming his father was married to multiple women at the same time? This next one comes from a lecture that Ergun gave April 2005 at Marine Corp Air Station New River.

Misconception. You understand…How many of you have already been in country? Many of you already know that we live and die by misconception. Just as I only understood American culture by what I had seen on television so do…too…most Iraqis who only get their television from controlled sources…even still…even though there is freedom about. We have misconceptions about you. Much of what I do is because there is so much misinformation. I spend half my time debating, in formats, debating Muslim Ulema, those are scholars, debating Imams, the pastors. I spend most of my time cutting through cliché.

There are certain things about being in country that I wish someone would have told me about coming to America and that I wish somebody would tell you. Probably the largest and most gaping difference is the fact that the vast majority of my people are thrilled by what you have done and brought to us.

My father had more than one wife at a time. As you know the Quran says in Surah four that you are allowed up to four wives. My father had three. I have sisters, half-sisters, who are learning to read, because of what you have brought to us. I have got cousins who voted for the first time, because of what you brought to us. If some tree hugging, whale kissing, crystal caring, Birkenstock wearing, Grateful Dead following, Jane Fonda spouting nut tells you that we all are just anti, please listen to me very carefully. There is a huge contingent of my people who are tasting freedom for the first time, because of what you have done. [Applause] I am thankful. Written on the walls of the mosque in Kabul, [speaking unknown foreign language], “do not teach the women to read and write.” You have let my sisters read and be trained in literacy for the first time.

Democracy is like crap out of a bull. You cannot put it back in. Once you have allowed it free, it’s there. I learned this, because they took me for a run through a field once. Those weren’t ant hills.

You watch us on television. You hear us speak. And there are some misconceptions that I want to cut through. The first one being, many of us are unbelievably thrilled about the fact that you have given us the freedom to believe or not believe anything. Yes, I am a Christian. I am an absolute believer in Jesus Christ as Lord. But you see you have also given us the freedom to believe anything. You’ve given us the freedom to think for ourselves. You’ve given us the freedom. You see that belief that is forced isn’t belief. Belief that is coerced isn’t true faith. The one great exponent of America is the freedom to think and rationally believe and reasonably consider for yourself. You brought this to us.

“Oh you have exported Americanism.” “A”, we want Americanism, you don’t see anyone walking to get in line to go to “Mc-Kabul”. We are coming to America. Nobody is going to Canada either. I am in Canada four times a year. I don’t understand Canada. Every time, I get protested. More and more, my protesters are these crackers, white guys. I can say cracker, I’m olive, I can make fun of all of yall. “Um excuse me, why are you always picking on Canada?” Because our Salvation Army could kick your ass if we wanted it to.


Wow, another accidental misstatement.

My father had more than one wife at a time. As you know the Quran says in Surah four that you are allowed up to four wives. My father had three.


He knows his father was not married to three women at the same time. However, even if this was accidental what are the odds Ergun will double down on it in this same lecture?

Wonderful question, because we think in terms of our culture. We think in terms of the American Army versus who? Who is the [indiscernible]? Where are the borders and where are the boundaries ? And jihad is crosses borders and boundaries. Lebanese, Jordanians, Syrian, U.A.E, Qatar, you really have, you mean, Sudan, you have these groups that are defined by their sect and tribe as opposed to country. So I have heard, this we hear constantly, I being Turk, coming to Iraq, I have heard Iraqis say, “This is not us.” “These are the Sunni who are coming from other countries.” That very well could be. And part of their solution in there new government is going to be a strategy of immigration. Establishing a reasoning for immigration. Are you coming here for good reasons or bad reasons? Again, this is a Shia versus Sunni issue and then you have subsets of Sunni. Wahabi is a subset of Sunni. The twelfth imam are a subset of the Shia. So you have Hezbollah and these varying groups that are a subsets that if you can cross that, perhaps you can end a lot of the insurgency and a lot of the fighting. That is a very valid point. I think that is a fair question. I think a fair understanding.

They have problems with immigration. I became an American citizen…uh…and stood up and took the vow and came in legally. We got stopped at the border, because my father had listed my mother as property. It’s true. And the guy said, “Your wife’s not property.” And he said, “of course she is.” Then he brought his “sisters” which is his other wives that’s how we bring in our other wives to America. We call them our “sisters”.


There you have it, Ergun claimed to Marines on a Marine base that his father was a polygamist and a human trafficker or at least a mother smuggler. Now he knows that neither is true. This sounds like a definite lie to me.

We got stopped at the border, because my father had listed my mother as property. It’s true. And the guy said, “Your wife’s not property.” And he said, “of course she is.” Then he brought his “sisters” which is his other wives that’s how we bring in our other wives to America. We call them our “sisters”.


Also, it takes some balls to lie to Marines on a Marine base during the midst of two wars.

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Source

"20 Things You Must Know to Witness to a Muslim" - Ashburn Baptist Church - Chicago, Il - March 2, 2003 Link

"Base Theater" - Marine Corp Air Station New River - New River, NC - April 15, 2005 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpDm3Z9tI-M

Music

"The Owl Named Orion" by danosongs.com
"Test Drive" by Zapac http://ccmixter.org/files/Zapac/26047
"A year ago" and "Chords for David" by Pixt http://dig.ccmixter.org/dig?user=Pitx
"Gloria" by Snowflake http://ccmixter.org/files/snowflake/22692



Cited Links

Tim Lee's statements
http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com/2011/05/after-11-months-liberty-university.html

September 25, 2010 article where Ergun says he did not lie.
http://www2.newsadvance.com/news/2010/sep/25/caner-defends-background-bristol-speech-ar-524525/

The unedited Marine videos on Viddler
http://www.viddler.com/explore/jsin/videos/2/
http://www.viddler.com/explore/jsin/videos/1/

Unedited Marine Videos on Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxmIMR1LNos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpDm3Z9tI-M

Ergun Caner's Apology
http://sbctoday.com/2010/02/25/statement-from-dr-ergun-caner/

Norman Geisler's statements
http://www.normangeisler.net/articles/ErgunCaner/

Friday, January 4, 2013

Mother smuggling and Ergun Caner - Introduction



Here we are coming to Ergun Caner’s claims on his father’s polygamy. Elsewhere I have wondered out loud if Emir knows about his brother’s unsubstantiated claims. A few times, I have even questioned how Emir can proclaim Ergun’s “unquestionable Christian character” when he lies so absolutely about their own mother and father.

While not directly challenging Emir, this video series will establish that many times Ergun has claimed his father had multiple wives at the same time. These claims have been made too directly and too frequently to be accidental misstatements.

First lets lay a little ground work. Ergun’s parents separated in 1975 and finalized their divorce in 1978. These documents are uncontested. In defending Ergun, Norman Geisler, noted:

Further, that Ergun was reared a devout Muslim is proven by his father’s testimony recorded in the divorce proceedings documents which ironically Ergun’s critic placed on the internet.


In another defense, he referenced the order of events.

After the divorce, he was raised by his mother who obviously had not disowned him since she was no longer a Muslim. But his Muslim father who had remarried did disown him.

Relevant portions are made available in the description below.

Norman also noted.

Ergun’s father did have two wives, having divorced the first one. He had three sons by his first wife (Ergun and his two brothers). So, Ergun has two full brothers and two step-sisters (from his father’s second wife). While speaking quickly on one occasion, he mistakenly called his brothers his “half” brothers. This is hardly evidence of an attempt to embellish or deceive. After all, he had the right number of each sibling, and he didn’t claim to have ten brothers or sisters!


OK, Ergun’s father, Acar, having only two wives and only being married to one at a time, is not in dispute. Given this, lets cue the clip from 2003.

Ashburn Baptist March 2, 2003

Man and woman are equal Surah 2 tells us, but a man has a degree over her. Mohammed said, it takes the testimony of two women to equal the testimony of one man, because of the deficiency of a woman’s mind. Hadith volume 9, please look that up. And that’s why in thirty-eight countries around the world, it takes the testimony of two women to equal the testimony of one man. Mohammed said that hellfire is filled with two thirds women. This is the doctrine of women.

How many wives is a man allowed to have in Islam? Four! Four, up to four. Two, three, or four based on what he can financially afford. That is from Surah 4 of the Quran. How many husbands is a woman allowed to have? Just one. And ladies even if your husband dies you do not have a choice. If in Islamic doctrine, if your husband dies you must go to his brothers. So I want all the women in the room right now to think about their brother in laws. Do you know why I like telling people this? Because it is always inevitable the women will go “ewww” and all the men look back. Even though we are talking about their death, the guy is going, “There ain’t nothing wrong with my brother.” “He’s a good man, he’s a good man, I tell you.” But you do not have a choice.

Who is allowed to divorce? The man all he has to do is face Mecca and begin the Nicah. [indiscernible] He disowns her. Three times he says I disown you, I divorce you. And you are divorced. You don’t get any land. You get nothing.

For those of you who have friends and family who are dating Muslim men or know a woman who is, please write down this verse. Surah 4:34 and I quote, fourth chapter of the Quran, “If a man fears disloyalty from his wife, first he must admonish her, secondly refuse to share the bed with her, thirdly beat her.”

On open line radio with Wayne Shepherd, I was debating Muslim woman scholar and this was the Moody show, the Wayne Shepherd thing, and he said she’s on the line and she wants to disagree with what you say. She calls in and she said, “You do not understand. You have quoted this verse three times and you do not understand in the Arabic, that means to tap her lightly.”

I had two answers. Number one, I do understand the Arabic. I do read the Arabic and no, it doesn’t mean to tap her lightly. And secondly, are you insane? Let me tell you what my wife says. My wife says if I ever tap her lightly, I will quote, “I will stomp a mud hole in you and I will walk it dry.” Do you understand why some women wear, a burqa covers many wounds.

A Hijab can refer to a head scarf or a traditional dress code covering of the entire body except the face, hands, and feet
There are three outfits that a woman will wear. One is called the hijab and that covers everything but the face and the hands and the feet. Because again, you have to check her toes. Secondly, it is the Niqab that covers everything, but it also covers the eye. And thirdly is the burqa and you say “barqa”.

My mother found out late in her marriage that my father was married to more than one woman. I don’t want anyone else to deal with this.

Does anyone have any questions on the issue of women? Yes, my sister. I will come back to that, if a man marries a Muslim woman. Let me answer the question about the brother. If their brothers, if a man has two brothers, but they are already married to four women, or they got the most they can take care of. She must go to his uncles. So there is the possibility that you could be thirty married to a seventy-five year old man. And then if the uncles are dead or don’t want a wife you must then by proxy go to the nephews, his nephews. So the possibility is that you could be thirty and married to a man who is seventeen or fourteen and have to raise yet another.


There are many locations where Ergun claims that his father had quote, “many wives” or quote “other wives”. Ergun’s defenders point out that two can be quote “many” also perhaps “other wives” was a slip of the tongue. However how do you explain,

My mother found out late in her marriage that my father was married to more than one woman. I don’t want anyone else to deal with this.

It seems like a definite lie to me. Ergun clearly knows that his father never had more than one wife at a time.

My mother found out late in her marriage that my father was married to more than one woman. I don’t want anyone else to deal with this.

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Source 

"20 Things You Must Know to Witness to a Muslim" - Ashburn Baptist Church - Chicago, Il - March 2, 2003 Link

Music

"The Owl Named Orion" by danosongs.com
"Test Drive" by Zapac http://ccmixter.org/files/Zapac/26047
"Gloria" by Snowflake http://ccmixter.org/files/snowflake/22692

Cited Links

Tim Lee's statements
http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com/2011/05/after-11-months-liberty-university.html

September 25, 2010 article where Ergun says he did not lie.
http://www2.newsadvance.com/news/2010/sep/25/caner-defends-background-bristol-speech-ar-524525/

The unedited Marine videos on Viddler
http://www.viddler.com/explore/jsin/videos/2/
http://www.viddler.com/explore/jsin/videos/1/

Unedited Marine Videos on Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxmIMR1LNos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpDm3Z9tI-M

Ergun Caner's Apology
http://sbctoday.com/2010/02/25/statement-from-dr-ergun-caner/

Norman Geisler's statements
http://www.normangeisler.net/articles/ErgunCaner/

Correction - I posted a correction to the caption on the picture.  While a hijab is a head scarf, it can also refer to the entire traditional Islamic dress code "calling for the covering of the entire body except theface, hands, and feet."  Still, anyone wearing any of those articles of Islamic clothing would be observing hijab.  So I am unclear why Ergun makes the distinction.