Seven minute sermon meme

Again just quoting the guy

Things come full circle with Dr. Ankerberg

For those of you who are new to the Ergun saga, let me sum up.  Ergun and Emir did several interviews with Dr. John Ankerberg.  There were some discrepancies.  Later, John released a statement during the midst of the Ergun scandal.

To Whom It May Concern:

I have known Ergun Caner for nearly a decade. I am disheartened by the recent attacks upon his integrity and character. I have interviewed Ergun for more than a dozen television shows and believe his personal testimony to be completely true. Otherwise, I would not have allowed him to broadcast his story to the millions of viewers that tune in to my program across the globe. Ergun and his brother, Emir, are men of God who have taken a valiant stand for the Lord, even costing them and their families their safety. For someone to attack Ergun’s selfless sacrifice, especially since they malign his character without any substantiation, is both unchristian and unbiblical. Count me among the many who will stand with Ergun Caner, knowing he stands for the Lord Jesus Christ.

Sincerely,
Dr. John F. Ankerberg
President

Today, Ergun, John, and Emir, began filming for six shows that will air in over 200 countries. 

One, I agree that to "malign his character without any substantiation" would be morally wrong.  This is why on this blog, I have tried to transcribe Ergun's lies extensively.  I have tried to demonstrate that these are not one time misstatements, but a pattern of repeated behavior.  Mother Smuggling, Does Emir Know?, Ergun Caner, Porn, and the Champion 2002, Is Norman Geisler calling Ergun Caner a liar? and Apologist Acrobats and Andy Griffith are probably the best examples from me.  Also with probably only two exceptions, I have provided the unedited source material so that you can listen for yourself. 

Two, why is Ergun back on the Ankerberg show without apologizing for lying to the Marines in New River?  Where are the big name pastors warning people about Ergun Caner?  People have told me that they pray for Ergun, asking that God would bring him to repentance.   Prayer can be effective, but before the scandal, Ergun probably had more people praying for him than today.  God has waited over a decade without warning most people about Ergun.  His popularity is climbing again, not decreasing. 

Ergun Caner: Does Emir Know? - Told You

After 9/11, Ergun Caner became a popular speaker. However, he was prone to lying about his past. This particular video series deals with the irreconcilable versions that Ergun has presented about his brothers’ conversions. In 2001, he began saying that he converted November 4, 1982 and a year later, he preached a seven minute sermon. That Sunday night his brothers supposedly converted. However, Ergun and his brother Emir wrote a bestselling book. In Unveiling Islam, Ergun converted. His brother, Erdem, converted in their basement. Then a year later, Emir, not Ergun, converted November 4, 1982. Around 2009, he began saying that it was not until he was away at college that he found out his brothers converted.

So far, I have provided two examples, here is another.

Pastor’s Perspective interviewed Ergun, January 2010. About five months later, his university launched their investigation. After completion of the investigation, Liberty University refused to continue his contract as President of the seminary. A month later, Dr. Norman Geisler wrote several passionate defenses of his friend, trying to argue that Ergun never lied.

At the beginning of August 2010, Ergun preached at Calvary Chapel Downey. About two and a half weeks later, Jason Smathers will publish the videos from 2005 of Ergun lying to the Marines at Marine Corps Air Station New River.

While Ergun was more honest at Downey there was some things lacking. Pertinent to this video series, Ergun claimed that he was almost in college when he converted.

But you look around the room what’s different about your church than say any other churches? Look around. We look like a bowl of fruity pebbles here, skittles. Various shades and colors, we don’t look monochromatic. We don’t fit one scheme. We look like the United Nations.

The reason I say that is I didn’t become a Christian until I was in High School, almost in college. And where I got saved in Columbus, Ohio, the worship was suburban. It was hymn driven. If you have ever been to a hymn driven church, it’s, back in the day, they would, “Take out your hymnal and turn with me to hymn number two hundred and twenty and we are going to sing first second and last.” I never understood why they skipped the third verse, but they always skipped over the third verse like it was the evil verse, because they sang from the hymn book.

As you can probably guess coming from an Islamic background, I was disowned when I became a believer in Jesus. And so going into college, I had no visible means of support. God provided support for me. I ended up in college in Kentucky, southeastern Kentucky, right on the border of Tennessee where I had to relearn English for a second time.

If he was almost in college, when he converted the logical inference is that a year later when his brothers converted, he was in college.

The pastor’s wife loved on me. I went home that night and told my father that I was a believer in Jesus and it was the last time I saw my Dad until he died. I was disowned, but my church became my family and the pastor’s wife, honey she was tough.

Yuki Miller, Japanese, out of Shintoism, about this tall, mean as a snake. I had no idea what she was talking about, she didn’t know what I was talking about, but I wanted to be able to pray like her. We would all join hands on a Sunday night and Clarence would inevitably call on his wife to pray. “Yuki, why don’t you close us?” And Yuki would start, “Heavenly Father, we are thanking you for everything you are doing today.” I may not have caught every word, but I wanted to have that heart. And God help you if you missed, God help you if you missed church one Sunday, but Yuki was old time, she was old school bus visitation. And Yuki would show up at your door, “Ergun, you come church now!” Man.

She’s still alive. Clarence is still alive. Yuki is still alive. Jerry Tackett, the boy who led me to Christ is still alive. All these people who invested in my life were all warriors who ripped the roof off in my life.

A year later I was in college, like I told you. I found out that both my brothers got saved. From my father and my mom, from my father and my mother, all three, all three boys, raised as Sunni Muslims all three are born again believers in Jesus. All three are ministers of the gospel.

Erdem, the middle brother, the middle brother Erdem is a layman, but he preaches in Cincinnati, Ohio as a business man, he does things on tithing. Emir, my youngest brother, is the President of Truett-Mcconnel college in Cleveland, Georgia. I’m at Liberty University, because of one kid.

Ergun typically dates his conversion at November 4, 1982, the day after his sixteenth birthday. Ergun did not go to college until the fall of 1984. Both his brothers date their conversion also to 1982. Emir even claims that he not Ergun converted November 4, 1982. In fact they co-authored a book together that said just that.

We are not through yet

Does Emir know that his brother is claiming that he is wrong about his own testimony?

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“Worship of Warriors” - Calvary Chapel Downey- Downey, CA – August 1, 2010 http://www.ccdowneymedia.com/webcasts/s2-08-01-2010-v291k.wmv

Cited Links

Tim Lee's statements
http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com/2011/05/after-11-months-liberty-university.html

September 25, 2010 article where Ergun says he did not lie.
http://www2.newsadvance.com/news/2010/sep/25/caner-defends-background-bristol-speech-ar-524525/

The unedited Marine videos on Viddler
http://www.viddler.com/explore/jsin/videos/2/
http://www.viddler.com/explore/jsin/videos/1/

Unedited Marine Videos on Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxmIMR1LNos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpDm3Z9tI-M

Ergun Caner's Apology
http://sbctoday.com/2010/02/25/statement-from-dr-ergun-caner/

Norman Geisler's statements
http://www.normangeisler.net/articles/ErgunCaner/

Ergun Caner: Does Emir Know? - Perspective

After 9/11, Ergun Caner became a popular speaker. However, he was prone to lying about his past. This particular video series deals with the irreconcilable versions that Ergun has presented about his brothers’ conversions. In 2001, he began saying that he converted November 4, 1982 and a year later, he preached a seven minute sermon. That Sunday night his brothers supposedly converted. However, Ergun and his brother Emir wrote a bestselling book. In Unveiling Islam, Ergun converted. His brother, Erdem, converted in their basement. Then a year later, Emir, not Ergun, converted November 4, 1982. Around 2009, he began saying that it was not until he was away at college that he found out his brothers converted.

Now on with the show.

Pastor’s Perspective interviewed Ergun Caner January 2010. Ergun said many things incorrectly about himself. He said he came to America as a fiery young man. He came to the United States before his fourth birthday. He said, he was completely disowned by his family. However, his parents were divorced at the time. He was disowned by his father and continued to reside with his mother and brothers. He then repeated again the claim that he lost his family. Again, he continued to live with his mother who was not a Muslim. Don’t take my word for it.

Brian - It is really the battle of between the political correctness or essentially liberalism and Islam. And liberalism can’t battle Islam, because they don’t really even know what they’re up against.

Ergun – They don’t know what to do with someone who believes in absolutes. They have no problem with modern Buddhism which becomes part of the ecology movement. They have no problem with Hinduism, which is part of the environmental movement.

But they have a real problem with Islam, because Islam doesn’t play well with others. They won’t meld. They won’t mesh. They won't dilute. Islam is Islam - and that was me coming to America: a fiery young man - all three of us, the three sons from our mother - all three of us devout Muslims - our father just this hero to us and when I converted - disowned by my family - completely disowned - father cut me out of the pictures - a year later both of my brothers became believers.

All three of us have preached. Myself and my youngest brother, the one who writes with me, we are both presidents of universities and we decided that we would write under our own name, because most of those who write books about Islam, Norman Geisler wrote an incredible book with Abdul Saleeb. Well, Abdul Saleeb means in Arabic, slave of the cross. The use assumed names, because it is the problem. Muslims will say how dare you say these things? And I point out the irony, so you are saying stop saying we are violent or you will kill me.

You know, where do you draw that line? It is why it is easier to make fun of Christians, because Christians won’t fight back.

Brian – Yeah, well I’ll tell you along those lines, when I was living in London, there was a producer in some part of Europe, whether it was Italy or France or somewhere and they made a very blasphemous movie about Christ and they were coming to London to premier the movie and guess what the Muslims stood up and said if you come and show this movie, we will blow up the theater, we will kill you, and of course they changed their mind and decided not to do the premier. I thought that was interesting that we got Muslims coming to the assistance of Christ.

Ergun – And the reason they do so is the Christ that they defend is not the Christ of the Bible. You know Mohammed basically, I get this all the time about the Allah, Jehovah. How do you witness to a Muslim? How do I explain to them? The insider movement, can I say that Allah, I want to tell you about Allah’s son? And I’ve never in twenty years of debates, discussions, interviews, etc, I’ve never met one Muslim who has ever said that the Allah of the Quran is the same as the God the Bible. Never. It’s only glue sniffing Christians who will turn around and say oh come on you know it’s the same God. It is deceptive and it is a lie. Muslims are adamant and Christians should be adamant. They are as adamant as we used to be.

Now there are still people who are very adamant, but by and large Christianity has become C.S. Lewis’s classic, Men without Chests. You know we have no guts.

Brian – You’re not in that category.

Ergun – I don’t you think you are either. But after I lost, you know I lose my family, what else can you lose? I lost my family, my culture, my language, my people. I knew nothing. I’m this kid who never had AWANA, never had Vacation Bible School, never had Sunday School, and now I am a believer in Jesus. For me the first thing you should do is go to the mosque and tell them about this grace. The first thing that you should do is tell everyone that you know. I can’t imagine a silent Christianity.

Brian - Now how was it that your brothers came to faith? Was it through your witness to them or?

Ergun- No, it was through the work of others. It was through the work of others. I was disowned. And I find out that my brothers had become Christians, I'm in college. And so it is what I hammer a lot, about the anonymous, the silent, behind-the-scenes, in the shadows kind of Christians who literally do the work that guys like ourselves cannot do.

Ergun is asked how his brothers came to Christ. He said, he could not witness to his brothers, because he was disowned. He answered that found out his brothers were Christians in college.

This is curious. As you know, Ergun was born in 1966. If he was saved in 1982, as he has claimed, he could not have been any older than 16 years old. Emir has claimed in numerous locations that he was saved, November 4, 1982. Again the oldest Ergun could have been was 16. 16 is not a likely age for a college freshman.

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Sources

Unveiling Islam Google Books

Pastor's Perspective - January 22, 2010 - http://backtobasicsradio.com/blog/44-blog/181-pastors-perspective

Cited Links

Tim Lee's statements
http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com/2011/05/after-11-months-liberty-university.html

September 25, 2010 article where Ergun says he did not lie.
http://www2.newsadvance.com/news/2010/sep/25/caner-defends-background-bristol-speech-ar-524525/

The unedited Marine videos on Viddler
http://www.viddler.com/explore/jsin/videos/2/
http://www.viddler.com/explore/jsin/videos/1/

Unedited Marine Videos on Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxmIMR1LNos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpDm3Z9tI-M

Ergun Caner's Apology
http://sbctoday.com/2010/02/25/statement-from-dr-ergun-caner/

Norman Geisler's statements
http://www.normangeisler.net/articles/ErgunCaner/

Ergun Caner: Does Emir Know? - Halftime Show

This is a quick summary of the "Does Emir Know?" series thus far.  There are more examples and if you have watched my Ergun huevos video, you know that I have far more examples of Ergun saying his brothers converted while he was in college. 

I understand that everybody does not have time to listen to hours of Ergun sermons.  Also, I understand that everybody does not have the hour that it would take you to watch the entire video series.  So I made this video to sum up the story thus far.  I think that it is pretty safe to say that Ergun has given many contradictory versions of Emir's conversion.

Transcript:

The third column is going to fill up.

Hold on everything is going to be fine. For those of you who have watched the full hour of the “Does Emir Know?” video series, thank you for watching. This video is going to be largely review of things that I fleshed out in other videos. For those who have not watched the entire series, this video is for you. Don’t worry, I have extensively documented every assertion that I am about to make in other videos. These videos will appear above with annotations to take you to them.

Sometimes it is best to look back at from whence we came and look towards where we are going. There are more examples to give, but this will be a place to deal only with the examples provided so far.

The primary focus in this video series has been the claims that Ergun has made about his brother Emir. The recent video about his parents’ divorce was more of a halftime show. Here we will sum up the chronology.

After 9/11, but still in 2001, Ergun preached at Prestonwood Baptist Church that both his brothers had converted after he preached a seven minute Sunday night sermon. He also claimed that he had converted November 4, 1982.

In 2002, Ergun and Emir coauthored Unveiling Islam. In one of the autobiographical sections of the book, Ergun converts on a Thursday. Erdem later converted in their mother’s basement. Then Ergun invited Emir to a revival service where he converted that Thursday night, November 4, 1982. Notice at Prestonwood, Ergun converted November 4, 1982, but in Unveiling Islam, Emir converted November 4, 1982. Also, notice that his brothers converted at separate times, when at Prestonwood, they converted the same Sunday night. Also, you will notice that this is the only example I have of this order of events.

Ergun continued to claim that he was the one who converted November 4, 1982. So did Emir, but that will be dealt with in another video. One example from Ergun was provided from 2005. Here he simply stated with no real details that his brothers were saved a year later. A 2007 example was also provided, however in this example, he stated again that his brothers converted after a seven minute Sunday night sermon. I provided 2008 example, where he again stated that he, not Emir, converted November 4, 1982. His brothers are said to have converted a year later. Like usual, no details are given.

As mentioned, Ergun generally claims that he was a High School Senior, November 4, 1982. He was not. He was a Junior. However, if he did convert as a Senior, the logical inference is that a year later when his brothers converted, he was a college Freshman. 2009 at Calvary Chapel Old Bridge is my earliest example of him claiming this.

So here, we have at least three different conversion stories provided by Ergun about Emir. They cannot all be true. Again, these are not the only examples of Ergun making such claims. Also, again, Emir has continued to claim that he was the one, not Ergun, who converted November 4, 1982. I have no examples of Ergun repeating the version of Emir’s conversion that is contained in their book.

Even though, chronologically Ergun’s claim about November 4, 1982 and the seven minute Sunday night sermon came first, I have assumed that the story in Unveiling Islam is the true one. It was coauthored by both brothers and it was the version that was put into print. Still, does Emir know that Ergun has said so many things about him?

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Sources

Unveiling Islam Google Books

“From Jihad to Jesus” 4/26/2010 Focus on the Family broadcast from a 2001 sermon at Prestonwood Baptist Church http://grooveshark.com/#!/s/From+Jihad+To+Jesus/g2QVv?src=5

“Church House or Jail House?” – North Alabama Bible Conference – 2005, Decatur Baptist Church: Decatur, AL – January 12, 2005 http://sermons.decaturbaptist.org/20050112PM.mp3

“General Session #2 - Dr. Ergun Caner” -- First Baptist Church Pearl City – Pearl City, HI - June 1, 2007 http://evangelism.fbcpearlcity.com/resources.html

“God’s Word,” The Downtown Church: Bellevue, WA – April 19, 2008 http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gods-word/id321185342?i=113186322&mt=2

“The Greatest Day in Church”- Calvary Chapel Old Bridge – Old Bridge, NJ – January 25, 2009 http://www.bridgegap.org/e/shop/item.asp?itemid=2958#



Cited Links

Tim Lee's statements
http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com/2011/05/after-11-months-liberty-university.html

September 25, 2010 article where Ergun says he did not lie.
http://www2.newsadvance.com/news/2010/sep/25/caner-defends-background-bristol-speech-ar-524525/

The unedited Marine videos on Viddler
http://www.viddler.com/explore/jsin/videos/2/
http://www.viddler.com/explore/jsin/videos/1/

Unedited Marine Videos on Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxmIMR1LNos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpDm3Z9tI-M

Ergun Caner's Apology
http://sbctoday.com/2010/02/25/statement-from-dr-ergun-caner/

Norman Geisler's statements
http://www.normangeisler.net/articles/ErgunCaner/

Ergun and Emir Caner and their Mom's divorce

According to Unveiling Islam, Dr. Ergun Caner’s parents’ marriage was doomed from the start. His mother was raised in Stockholm and educated all over Europe. His father was a Turkish immigrant with very different views. What is important here is that according to Unveiling Islam, Ergun’s parents divorced prior to their sons’ conversion to Christianity. There is a link in the description to the relevant portions of the autobiography.

The marriage was doomed from the beginning, a clash of cultures. Our mother was an only child, raised in Stockholm and educated all over Europe. By the time she was twenty, she had attended the Sorbonne in Paris, and had traveled the world. Father was from heartier stock. As the youngest child in his family, he had earned everything he owned and was steeped in Islamic culture. Their assumptions about marriage clearly clashed.

The divorce, which was finalized in America, was painful. As in most divorces, the children became the human “ropes” in a tug-of-war, torn between parents. A pattern developed of weekend visits between Columbus and Gahanna, in central Ohio. Yet even the wrenching experience of divorce could not prepare us for our father’s disavowal.

Entering high school, Ergun was a typical young man, except that he was a devout Muslim. Even through the divorce, our parents had maintained our rearing in the mosque. Each weekend, we would travel to Broad Street in Columbus, Ohio, where our father had helped found the Islamic Foundation. The mosque in Toledo was too far a drive, so the Foundation Center was established. Father did the call to prayer on occasion.

This was verified by divorce documents obtained by Jason Smathers. Ergun’s parents separated in 1975 and finalized their divorce in 1978. These documents are uncontested. In defending Ergun, Norman Geisler, noted:

Further, that Ergun was reared a devout Muslim is proven by his father’s testimony recorded in the divorce proceedings documents which ironically Ergun’s critic placed on the internet.

In another defense, he referenced the order of events. “After the divorce, he was raised by his mother who obviously had not disowned him since she was no longer a Muslim. But his Muslim father who had remarried did disown him.” Relevant portions are made available in the description below.

The Charge that His Family Did Not Disown Him When He Converted to Christianity as Caner Claimed that they Did.—It is true that after the divorce he was raised by his mother who obviously had not disowned him since she was no longer a Muslim. But his Muslim father who had remarried did disown him. This is the Muslim “family” to which he referred. This was very painful to him since he lived only a half hour away but could not even speak to him.

- In Defense of Dr. Ergun Caner: A Response to His Critics

OK, we all know the time line now. In 1975, when Ergun was about 8 or 9, his parents separated. In 1978, when Ergun was about 11 or 12, his parents divorced. Ergun later converted to Christianity somewhere in between 1981-1983, depending on which version of his story you go by. Emir and Erdem converted somewhere in between 1982-1984, depending on which version of their story you go by. The point is that the divorce took place 4 to 6 years prior to their conversions. Anyone who said otherwise would probably be lying. Cue clip from 2007.

If you are going to change the world, find you the Jewish equivalent of Bill Gates who can fund this movement. What ya talking to a poor person for? Strike four, she’s divorced. This Brittney Spears of the first century, five times, don’t you reckon after three or four she might think it’s her? Might be me?

Jesus said, “You answered correctly, five times, you had five husbands.” And in many churches, that’s the Scarlett Letter. Neither I have been divorced or my wife. Both our families have been through it. My Mom was divorced when my brothers became Christians. My Father left her, blaming her for our conversion. And when my Mom got saved, in 1991, there was nowhere she could serve, because our little church said that if you were divorced you can’t serve in any capacity. It is no longer the “Scarlett A”, but the “Scarlett D”.

Oh no! Surely there must be some other explanation for Ergun saying, “My father left her, blaming her for our conversion”. Come on guys! This is my 25th Ergun Caner video on this channel. You all know that I am going to provide multiple examples of Ergun making the same false statement over and over again. Then I will ask you which is more likely, that Ergun accidentally said his father punitively divorced his mother or that he said so purposely? So cue 2008. This clip was only five months later.

Strike four, she’s divorced. Jesus busts her, doesn’t he? He says, “You answered right.” “You’ve had five husbands.” This biblical Brittney Spears, has gone through husband after husband after husband. Don’t you think at some point she’d say, “Maybe it’s me?” But don’t you think that happens in the church all the time? We have sort of a new Scarlett Letter don’t we? My apologies to Hawthorne, but the big letter’s “D” now.

I’ve never been divorced. My wife’s never been divorced, but our whole family both sides decimated by it. And often in the church, the whispers the divorced hear, how, “Who are you?”

When my Mom got saved, because my father left her, because I became a Christian. When my Mom got saved, she couldn’t serve in the church where she got saved, because she was divorced. Jesus what are you talking to this divorcee?

This next clip is 12 months later. You will notice that I edited the clip with about a minute and a half before Ergun begins preaching on divorce. One, I like providing longer clips. They help you understand that I am not deceitfully giving gotcha moments. By all means, please listen to the unedited audio which I have linked to in the description below.

Two, I do hope you appreciate the irony. You will see what I mean in a moment.

Three, this is one of Ergun’s notorious youth events. These are teenagers that he is talking to. When I was a youth pastor, I wanted Ergun to speak to my youth group. By God’s grace, I am glad that he never did. Later on that day, Ergun will even tell the youth that at age 8, he was betrothed to a Turkish girl while he was still living in Istanbul, Turkey. Ergun, here, is lying to kids, kids that trusted him. How could he do this? Let us just cue clip 2009.

And we lie. Somebody asks you what kind of home you come from. Somebody asks you to tell the story. Somebody asks what’s your background? Somebody asks you what you struggle with. We lie.

Don’t you understand if God can get you through whatever it is that you are going through, that’s part of your story? And the reason that God kept you here to survive that was to help others who may be going through that? Don’t you understand that there are people you can talk to who would never listen to me? They would never show up to listen to a guy with a four hundred pound pumpkin head talk, but they will listen to you, because you have earned their trust. They will listen to you, if you tell them your story. Your scars become your story when you are willing to admit your weakness. That’s why he says, “We ain’t preaching ourselves, we preach Christ.” Your most effective witness will be before those people who know you, who know you and understand where you came from. Use whatever it is you deal with. Use whatever it is from which you came. Use it. Tell it. Be transparent. Don’t fake it and you will be astonished at the number of people who will listen to you. You have a story that God’s given you.

How many here, by a show of hands, come from a divorced background? Me too. We don’t talk about it, not in the church. That’s the new Scarlett Letter. I’ve not been divorced. My wife’s not been divorced. Everybody else in our family is. Not like our brothers, not Jill’s brothers, not my brothers. Our parents, Jill’s parents, her uncles and aunts, my uncles and aunts, everybody’s gone through it and when they come to church they feel like they got the “Scarlett Letter D”.

And so when I talk to those people and I say, “Let me tell you what my parents went through.” You see, my Father left my Mom, because he blamed her that we got saved. And those that come from a divorced background go, “I’m right there with you”.

In 2010, less than a year from the last clip, Ergun released his statement that he never intentionally misled anyone. I have provided so far three clips in which Ergun says he never intended for you to believe that his father divorced his mother due to her sons’ conversions. Do you buy that? You would expect with all the attention given to false statements like these; Ergun would stop making them in 2010. However you would think wrong. My next clip is from 2011.

My parents divorced, my Father blamed my Mom for our conversions. In 1991, with three boys as Christians, my Mom got saved, my Mom. My Mom is now remarried, a man from her discipleship group, who is now a supply pastor. Just got called to be an interim pastor, which is hilarious, which makes my Mom and an interim pastor’s wife. If you knew my Mom, you’d know how funny that was. Because if my Mom ever comes to your door, you’ll know it. Heavy accent, little woman, smoking, smoking, I mean chain smoking, pall malls unfiltered. “Filters are for wimps.” And she’ll do it witnessing. “I want to tell you about Jesus”.

Do you remember Ergun’s friend, Norman, who pointed out the divorce documents as proof that Ergun was a devout Muslim? Remember, he also noted that the divorce came before her boys conversion? Surely, he would correct Ergun? Nope, he’s right there.

Look if I had gotten married, if I ever show you a picture of Jill, she is a great godly woman, but my wife is hot, hot, hot. Like we stand side by side and people will go. All the time, all the time, Dr. Geisler will tell you.

The summer of 2010, he defended his brother saying, Ergun had demonstrated "unquestionable Christian character". This was just "a few incorrect statements". He said, "His character, integrity, and bold witness are truly an emulation of a shepherd's heart and an evangelist's passion." March 15, 2012, Emir referred to Ergun as "one of God's most anointed expository preachers".

I do not what you say, when one of your brothers lies publicly about your own mother. However, I definitely would not defend him as having “unquestionably character.” Perhaps, when someone lies about their mother, they are one of God’s anointed, but are they really one of God’s most anointed? Then again, does Emir even know?

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"The Owl Named Orion" by danosongs.com 
"Light Banjo" by soundcloud.com
"Monster" by Peach Stealing Monkeys from PeachStealingMonkeys.com 
"The Bottom" by Josh Woodward from joshwoodward.com
 
Sources

Unveiling Islam Google Books

Norman Geisler's statements
http://www.normangeisler.net/articles/ErgunCaner/

"Ergun Caner’s Secret Biography" Witness Unto Me - March 30, 2010
 http://www.witnessesuntome.com/2010/03/ergun-caners-secret-biography/

"Ergun Caner 2" 2007 NW Baptist Convention - November 14, 2007
http://audio.nwbaptist.org/2007%20NW%20Baptist%20Convention/Ergun%20Caner%202.mp3

“God’s Word,” The Downtown Church: Bellevue, WA – April 19, 2008 http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gods-word/id321185342?i=113186322&mt=2

"Ergun Caner Saturday Morning" Northwest Baptist Youth Ministry Student Conference - May 29, 2009 http://audio.nwbaptist.org/2009%20Student%20Conference/Ergun%20Caner%20Saturday%20Morning.mp3
"Why I am no longer a Muslim" Mt. Airy Bible Church - May 7, 2011   https://vimeo.com/24514727

Cited Links

Tim Lee's statements
http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com/2011/05/after-11-months-liberty-university.html

September 25, 2010 article where Ergun says he did not lie.
http://www2.newsadvance.com/news/2010/sep/25/caner-defends-background-bristol-speech-ar-524525/

The unedited Marine videos on Viddler
http://www.viddler.com/explore/jsin/videos/2/
http://www.viddler.com/explore/jsin/videos/1/

Unedited Marine Videos on Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxmIMR1LNos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpDm3Z9tI-M

Ergun Caner's Apology
http://sbctoday.com/2010/02/25/statement-from-dr-ergun-caner/

Norman Geisler's statements
http://www.normangeisler.net/articles/ErgunCaner/

Ergun Caner: Does Emir Know? - The Review

Previously on Moses Model

Emir converted November 4, 1982

Ergun maintains that he never intentionally misled anyone. What are the odds that I can provide you with two more examples of him claiming he converted the same day that his brother?

Prestonwood Baptist Church, 2001

November 4, 1982

Decatur Baptist Church, January 12, 2005

November 4, 1982

First Baptist Church Pearl City, June 1, 2007

[Indiscernible] It was November 4, 1982.

The Downtown Church, April 19, 2008

I went home, November 4, 1982

Generally Ergun falsely claims to have been a High School Senior in 1982 during his conversion.

First Baptist Church Pearl City, June 1, 2007

He started when we were Freshmen in High School in Gahanna Lincoln High School in Gahanna, Ohio. He did not stop until I was a Senior going into my Senior year.

Canyon Creek Baptist Sermon, July 31, 2011

Started my Freshman year and wouldn’t quit until my Senior year.

C3 Church Sermon, January 1, 2012

Finally going into my Senior year, I decide, ‘You know what? I’ll show you.

Fortress of Faith interview, June 4, 2012

He kept coming and finally going into my Senior year in High School, I decided I’d take him up on his challenge.

If he converted as a High School Senior, the logical inference is that he was a High School graduate a year later when his brothers converted.

What if I can provide you with an example of him claiming to have converted November 4, 1982 with a bonus? What if I can provide you with Ergun saying also that he was in college when his brothers converted?

If all of this is unintentional What are the odds that such an example exists? 


The main point of this video series has been that these errors by Dr. Ergun Caner occur too often and too purposefully to be accidental misstatements. Ergun claims, even today, to have converted in the same year, during the same month, on the same day, and even on the same day of the week as his brother Emir. Let’s say I accept that one was an accident, OK. Ergun also claims to have been a High School Senior, on that day November 4, 1982. OK, let’s say I accept that one was an accident. Ergun also maintains, November 4, 1982 was his fourth year in High School and Jerry had pursued him for four years. He even counts out the years frequently on stage. Let’s say that I accept that Ergun often does not remember his correct graduation year. What are the odds that he would make all these errors in the same sermon? What are the odds that he would consistently make these errors in almost every sermon that I have available to listen to?

What are the odds that he would claim that his brothers converted while he was a Freshman in college too? I hope you see that as you start adding the errors that he consistently makes about himself and others it becomes increasingly unlikely that he made these mistakes accidentally. At this point I am not even really pointing out the three different versions of Emir’s testimony that Ergun provides.

In the introduction to this video, most of the examples I gave of Ergun claiming to have converted his senior year were from 2011 and 2012. I was trying to demonstrate that he has not stopped making false claims. I could have easily pulled more from the sermon that I provided.

Do you want to know why I teach full time? Do you want to know why I am going to be here until I die? Because I love my life. I get to be around those kids everyday. I get to be around kids like, Jerry Tacket. Jerry Tacket was an obnoxious kid trying to earn an awana badge. I don’t know. I don’t know what it was. But beginning in my Freshman year and going until my Senior year, Jerry Tacket never took “no” for an answer.

For 3 ½ years, almost 4 years, Tacket kept coming after me. Dude, do you want to come to the lock-in? Dude, you want to go roller skating? Dude, fifth quarter? Hotdog hogout? Pizza pigout? All those youth things that people do? “No, no, no.”

Freshman year, Sophomore year, Junior year, leave me alone. I have my prayer rug in the locker room and I’d roll it out and I’d be praying. My forehead to the ground, I’d come back up and there he is standing. “Hey!”

I love Jerry, man he’s a punk. I love him, but he’s still my friend. I’m like, dude you were tenacious to say the least. “Hey can I give you a Bible?” “No, I have my Quran.” “Hey, I just want to tell you that Jesus loves you.” “Would you leave me alone?”

Going into my Senior year, I figured I found a way to shut him up. I said, “I’ll go with you to your church, if you come to the mosque.” This High School Senior, this 17 year old boy, named Jerry Tacket, walked to the mosque on Broad Street in Columbus, Ohio. Walked in with a Bible in his hand and a “Jesus Saves” t-shirt. That’s hardcore. That’s hardcore right there. That’s SECW straight. He walked in like this, “Hey, how ya doing, nice to meet ya, nice to meet ya.”

My father goes, “Ergun, who is this kid?” I went over to Tacket and I was like, “Alright.” I walked into the Stelzer Road Baptist Church, in Columbus, Ohio. It might as well have been Calvary Chapel, because I’d never seen it. Never held a Bible, never been in a worship service, never been around Christians. I sat in the back. I didn’t know that the secret of Baptists is that when you sit in the back that is where they all sit. Swhrooom, 20 of them all around me.

You’ll know Baptist in heaven, because Baptists will be the ones going through the gate asking for a bulletin. Because they all had their bulletins They had a hymnal, I didn’t know what a hymnal was. Had a Bible. Didn’t know what that was. I didn’t know why they wouldn’t sit still. Just like you people, stand, sit, turn around, hug a neck kiss a baby. It’s like jeserocise man. Yall won’t hold still.

I was trying to be anonymous sit in the back and there comes Tacket and there comes his friends and there comes all these youth. Four years, they had been going on me. They never gave up.

I chose this one.

I was in college eight months later.

I wanted to provide a long unedited clip. This was the closest one available. If this particular video series was about Ergun claiming to have immigrated to the United States as a teenager, this sermon also had that too.

My father’s name is Acar Mehmet Caner. I say it out loud, because just telling the story, you don’t get to do that often and most Muslims who are Muslims have never met a Murtad. I am a Murtad. I left Islam and became a believer in Jesus Christ.

My father was an Ulema in the mosque. An Ulema is a scholar. He was an architect by vocation. And when we came to America in 78, through Brooklyn, we settled in Columbus, Ohio to build mosques. That is exactly what my father did until the day he died, 1999.

We were not casual Muslims. We were not comfortable Muslims. We were the devout. We wore keffiyeh. We spoke in Arabic and Turkish. We read the Quran. We fasted 40 days during Ramadan. We lived by the rules of Halal and Haram, Mushbuded, dietary restrictions. We prayed five times a day, facing Mecca, [Speaking Arabic] doing our prayer time.

Still, the challenge was to provide one sermon where he said he converted his senior year on November 4, 1982,

November 4, 1982

and he said his brother converted after he went to college

I was in college eight months later. My phone rang. I discovered that both my brothers had gotten saved.

I think I accomplished my goal. The mental backflips that you have to do to explain why Ergun accidentally said all of these false claims in the same sermon are ridiculous.

Sources

“From Jihad to Jesus” 4/26/2010 Focus on the Family broadcast from a 2001 sermon at Prestonwood Baptist Church http://grooveshark.com/#!/s/From+Jihad+To+Jesus/g2QVv?src=5

“Church House or Jail House?” – North Alabama Bible Conference – 2005, Decatur Baptist Church: Decatur, AL – January 12, 2005 http://sermons.decaturbaptist.org/20050112PM.mp3

“General Session #2 - Dr. Ergun Caner” -- First Baptist Church Pearl City – Pearl City, HI - June 1, 2007 http://evangelism.fbcpearlcity.com/resources.html

“God’s Word,” The Downtown Church: Bellevue, WA – April 19, 2008 http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gods-word/id321185342?i=113186322&mt=2

“The Greatest Day in Church”- Calvary Chapel Old Bridge – Old Bridge, NJ – January 25, 2009 http://www.bridgegap.org/e/shop/item.asp?itemid=2958#

“The Samaritan Woman” Canyon Creek Baptist Church – July 31, 2011 http://www.canyoncreekbc.org/resources/online-media.html?controller=studylist&task=download&study=13&media=0

“New Years Day Service” C3 Church: Clayton, North Carolina – January 1, 2012 http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/new-years-day-service-special/id125373478?i=109068443&mt=2

“Interview with Dr Canner Part 2 – Audio” Fortress of Faith – June 3, 2012 http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/new-years-day-service-special/id125373478?i=109068443&mt=2

Music

"The Deadly Year", "The Great Unknown", “Tuba Waddle”, “Hot Salsa”, and "Turkish Dance" from AudioNautix.com

“Ashes” and "The Bottom" by Josh Woodward from joshwoodward.com

"The Owl Named Orion" and "Art of Gardens" by danosongs.com 

Cited Links

Tim Lee's statements
http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com/2011/05/after-11-months-liberty-university.html

September 25, 2010 article where Ergun says he did not lie.
http://www2.newsadvance.com/news/2010/sep/25/caner-defends-background-bristol-speech-ar-524525/

The unedited Marine videos on Viddler
http://www.viddler.com/explore/jsin/videos/2/
http://www.viddler.com/explore/jsin/videos/1/

Unedited Marine Videos on Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxmIMR1LNos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpDm3Z9tI-M

Ergun Caner's Apology
http://sbctoday.com/2010/02/25/statement-from-dr-ergun-caner/

Norman Geisler's statements
http://www.normangeisler.net/articles/ErgunCaner/

Ergun Caner: Does Emir Know? - The Long Clip

The main point of this video series has been that these errors by Dr. Ergun Caner occur too often and too purposefully to be accidental misstatements. Ergun claims, even today, to have converted in the same year, during the same month, on the same day, and even on the same day of the week as his brother Emir. Let’s say I accept that one was an accident, OK. Ergun also claims to have been a High School Senior, on that day November 4, 1982. OK, let’s say I accept that one was an accident. Ergun also maintains, November 4, 1982 was his fourth year in High School and Jerry had pursued him for four years. He even counts out the years frequently on stage. Let’s say that I accept that Ergun often does not remember his correct graduation year. What are the odds that he would make all these errors in the same sermon? What are the odds that he would consistently make these errors in almost every sermon that I have available to listen to?

What are the odds that he would claim that his brothers converted while he was a Freshman in college too? I hope you see that as you start adding the errors that he consistently makes about himself and others it becomes increasingly unlikely that he made these mistakes accidentally. At this point I am not even really pointing out the three different versions of Emir’s testimony that Ergun provides.

This is probably the longest clip I have provided.  

Complete Transcript:

The Prequel - Ergun Caner - Does Emir Know?

September 11, 2001, our nation was attacked by Al Qaeda. Thousands dead and our nation in mourning, a preacher was sought after by many to explain what happen. Trusted and chosen, Dr. Ergun Caner was selected to speak at Preston Wood Baptist Church late 2001, shortly after 9/11. How did Ergun use his trusted privileged position? He worked his tail off to lie his tail off.

They trusted him

I want to spend about fifteen minutes explaining to you why they did what they did and perhaps answering some of your questions as to what may happen next.

He lied to them

I was born in Sweden, raised in Turkey, came to America in 1978.

We trusted him

I mean I never had been in a church. I never truly been around many Christians. There’s not that many of them in Turkey or in Sweden. Coming to America, I’d lived under the misconception that you hated me as a Muslim.

He lied to us

On Thursday night, I tackled that preacher. Man, I grabbed a hold of him. I grabbed a hold of him and said I want this Jesus. I want saved. That night we went to a thing called afterglow. That is where all the youth go to Denny’s or IHop or Waffle House and hang out. My first act as a new believer in Jesus Christ was I got the biggest piece of ham they had. I never had it. Now, I’m a ham eating man baby. As a matter of fact the greatest ham of all time, I am addicted to. I’ll even tell you the secret, but you can’t buy it. It’s called spam.

On Friday night, after I’d been to revival four days, after I’d gotten saved, after Jesus had forgiven me of my sin and released me from fear of the scales, when Jesus did for me what I could not do for myself I figured everyone in the mosque wanted to hear about this too. That was not the case. That night, November 4, 1982 my father faced Mecca, as was his custom and began his prayer time and my father disowned me, my hero, my father.

A year later still young in Christ, still with very bad English, I came forward in my little country church that loved me and I surrendered to preach and came forward and said God is telling me to preach. And I don’t know how they do it here at Prestonworld but in our church which was very mixed, very mixed bless God, my pastor stood up there and I came down the aisle and surrendered to the Gospel ministry and he said "Well bless God, he’ll be preaching his first sermon tonight." You guys ever heard a first sermon? I went up there with about that many notes, about 4 hours of preparation and lasted seven minutes. You know. I was like, "Jesus - uh - Devil - uh - lets sing 842 verses of 'Just as I am.'" But you see, at the invitation, both of my younger brothers stepped out. Both my younger brothers got saved.

My youngest brother is also in the fulltime gospel ministry. He teaches at Southeastern Seminary. My middle brother is a Christian father and lay deacon in his church.

Is it over?

Transcript to Preview

The Following Preview Has Been Approved For All Audiences 

By the Moses Model Amateur Youtube Association.

Coming Summer 2007 to a Hawaiian church,

I am just not a beach person.

What are the Odds?

I was born in Istanbul, Turkey. I am a Sand Monkey. Been called worse. I came to America after going to Beirut and then Cairo. And when I came to America in 1978 at the age of 14 years old, I lived a very urban life.

Just when you thought they were just misstatements

What are the Odds?

One kid who for four years hunted me down. He started when we were Freshmen in High School in Gahanna Lincoln High School in Gahanna, Ohio. He did not stop until I was a Senior going into my Senior year.

Same Lies

Until I was 18 years old, I hated you.

November 4, 1982

[Indiscernible] It was November 4, 1982.

Best since Prestonwood!

A year later I was called to preach.

A Seven Minute Sermon

It was a seven minute sermon. It was the night that both my brother got saved. Now listen…

Summer of 2007

Does Emir Know?

Same False Stories Six Years Later

Sources

“From Jihad to Jesus” 4/26/2010 Focus on the Family broadcast from a 2001 sermon at Prestonwood Baptist Church http://grooveshark.com/#!/s/From+Jihad+To+Jesus/g2QVv?src=5

General Session #2 - Dr. Ergun Caner -- June 1, 2007 http://evangelism.fbcpearlcity.com/resources.html

Music

"The Deadly Year", "The Great Unknown", and "Turkish Dance" from AudioNautix.com

"The Bottom" by Josh Woodward from joshwoodward.com

Contact me at mosesmodel@yahoo.com and www.twitter.com/mosesmodel and http://www.tumblr.com/blog/mosesmodel 

Cited Links

Tim Lee's statements
http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com/2011/05/after-11-months-liberty-university.html

September 25, 2010 article where Ergun says he did not lie.
http://www2.newsadvance.com/news/2010/sep/25/caner-defends-background-bristol-speech-ar-524525/

The unedited Marine videos on Viddler
http://www.viddler.com/explore/jsin/videos/2/
http://www.viddler.com/explore/jsin/videos/1/

Unedited Marine Videos on Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxmIMR1LNos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpDm3Z9tI-M

Ergun Caner's Apology
http://sbctoday.com/2010/02/25/statement-from-dr-ergun-caner/

Norman Geisler's statements
http://www.normangeisler.net/articles/ErgunCaner/

PS ~ I listened to the Focus on the Family episode a year ago, but I did not digitize my hand written notes.  Thank you to all the bloggers who blogged about this episode when it originally came out.  You reminded me about the connections to this video series.  Also a special thank you to Majestatic whose blog was pretty much the exact same thing that I am trying to do in my video series.  I am constantly struck by how helpful the frontline podcasters and bloggers have been to me.  Thank you.

Ergun Caner: Does Emir Know? - November 4, 1982

Ergun maintains that he never intentionally misled anyone. What are the odds that I can provide you with three more examples of him claiming he converted the same day that his brother?

The first example was from 2007, here is one from 2005:

Decatur Baptist clip:

“I went home and told my father. I said, ‘Abbi, I am born again. I’m saved. It was November 4, 1982 and it was the last day I saw my father. No, no, don’t feel bad for me. You say, ‘well that’s horrible.’ And yes, on some existential level it might be. But you don’t understand, Hadith volume 9 number 57, Mohammed speaking, ‘Anybody changes his Islamic religion, kill him.’ In 38 countries around our globe that is precisely what takes place. Every Friday Jumu’ah prayer, midday, those who have converted from Islam to Christianity are taken out to the city square, buried up to their waste and stoned to death. And we complain about someone being in our parking spot. My father disowned me as an act of mercy.”

Here is one from 2008:

The Downtown Church clip:

“I went home, November 4, 1982, I went home and told my Babba that I was a believer in Jesus. And of course you can guess what happened. I lost my home, I lost my family, kicked out and disowned. People, ‘ahhh’. Christians you are very sympathetic people. You are very, very empathetic which is a gift. I’m not. I never got that mercy gift, I keep waiting for. But I tell them that and people go ‘ahhh that’s horrible’. ‘We need to fill out a hallmark card’. ‘I tell you what, Monday, I am going to send a Forward about that story.’ Don’t feel sorry for me. 36 countries around the globe, for a Muslim to convert to Christianity, you are put to death. You are buried up to your waist in your burial cloth and stoned to death as a consequence of the capital crime of conversion. Some of the countries I travel in today, all of yall who are on Facebook, on Facebook look at our pictures man. Been to Sudan, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan. Put to death for converting. Mine wasn’t that bad. Besides, I had a new family. I was a Christian. Yall became my family.”

Generally Ergun falsely claims to have been a High School Senior in 1982 during his conversion.

Canyon Creek Baptist Sermon 7/31/11

“Jerry Tacket saw me isolated. Started my Freshman year and wouldn’t quit until my Senior year.

C3 Church Sermon 1/1/12

“Finally going into my Senior year, I decide, ‘You know what? I’ll show you.’ And I went, I walked, I said ‘alright, I’ll come, come, come I’ll come.‘ I walked into the Stelzer Road Baptist Church in Columbus, Ohio right near the airport.”

Fortress of Faith interview 6/4/12

“Interviewer: So a teenager friend, a Freshman in High School, engaged you with the love of Christ and built a friendship with you, but you rejected his attempts to try to get you to the gospel. You told him know a few times, but he prevailed.

Ergun: Yeah a few times, for three years, I told him, ‘no’. I didn’t want to hear anything about the gospel. I was, we were very devout Muslims. We lived in Columbus. My father was building the mosque that eventually came on Broad Street. We wanted nothing to do with you as Christians. If you can say openly hostile, maybe passively hostile however you want to say that, I wanted nothing to do with this guy, but he wouldn’t quit. You know, again how many of us, if we share the gospel and somebody says ‘no’ we move on. There was no moving on. He kept coming and finally going into my Senior year in High School, I decided I’d take him up on his challenge. And that’s when I became a believer in Jesus.”

If he converted as a High School Senior, the logical inference is that he was a High School graduate a year later when his brothers converted.

What if I can provide you with an example of him claiming to have converted November 4, 1982 with a bonus? What if I can provide you with Ergun saying also that he was in college when his brothers converted? Ergun maintains publicly to this day, that everything was unintentional: Both him saying he converted November 4, 1982 and him saying he converted his Senior year. If all of this is unintentional What are the odds that such an example exists?

Too be continued…

Sources:

Unveiling Islam Google Books

“General Session #2 - Dr. Ergun Caner” -- June 1, 2007 http://evangelism.fbcpearlcity.com/resources.html

“Church House or Jail House?” – North Alabama Bible Conference – 2005, Decatur Baptist Church: Decatur, AL – January 12, 2005 http://sermons.decaturbaptist.org/20050112PM.mp3

“God’s Word,” The Downtown Church: Bellevue, WA – April 19, 2008 http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gods-word/id321185342?i=113186322&mt=2

“The Samaritan Woman” Canyon Creek Baptist Church – July 31, 2011 http://www.canyoncreekbc.org/resources/online-media.html?controller=studylist&task=download&study=13&media=0

“New Years Day Service” C3 Church: Clayton, North Carolina – January 1, 2012 http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/new-years-day-service-special/id125373478?i=109068443&mt=2

“Interview with Dr Canner Part 2 – Audio” Fortress of Faith – June 3, 2012 http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/new-years-day-service-special/id125373478?i=109068443&mt=2

Music:
"Monster" by Peach Stealing Monkeys from PeachStealingMonkeys.com
"Tuba Waddle" and "Hot Salsa" from AudioNautix.com
“Ashes” and "The Bottom" by Josh Woodward from joshwoodward.com

Cited Links

Tim Lee's statements
http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com/2011/05/after-11-months-liberty-university.html

September 25, 2010 article where Ergun says he did not lie.
http://www2.newsadvance.com/news/2010/sep/25/caner-defends-background-bristol-speech-ar-524525/

The unedited Marine videos on Viddler
http://www.viddler.com/explore/jsin/videos/2/
http://www.viddler.com/explore/jsin/videos/1/

Unedited Marine Videos on Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxmIMR1LNos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpDm3Z9tI-M

Ergun Caner's Apology
http://sbctoday.com/2010/02/25/statement-from-dr-ergun-caner/

Norman Geisler's statements
http://www.normangeisler.net/articles/ErgunCaner/

Ergun Caner: Does Emir Know? - Addendum

If I may, I would like to review the last video. I neglected to mention that both Ergun and Emir claim they were converted on Thursdays.

In Unveiling Islam, Ergun says that he held out until the last day of the revival and converted on a Thursday. Emir says that he converted November 4, 1982, a Thursday. In the last episode, Ergun claimed Emir and Erdem converted on a Sunday.

Ergun maintains that he never intentionally misled anyone. What are the odds that I can provide you with two more examples of him claiming he converted the same day that his brother?

Sources:

Unveiling Islam Google Books

General Session #2 - Dr. Ergun Caner -- June 1, 2007 http://evangelism.fbcpearlcity.com/resources.html

Music:
"Monster" by Peach Stealing Monkeys from PeachStealingMonkeys.com
"Spanish Summer" and "Rags 2 Riches Rag" from AudioNautix.com
"The Bottom" by Josh Woodward from joshwoodward.com

Cited Links

Tim Lee's statements
http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com/2011/05/after-11-months-liberty-university.html

September 25, 2010 article where Ergun says he did not lie.
http://www2.newsadvance.com/news/2010/sep/25/caner-defends-background-bristol-speech-ar-524525/

The unedited Marine videos on Viddler
http://www.viddler.com/explore/jsin/videos/2/
http://www.viddler.com/explore/jsin/videos/1/

Unedited Marine Videos on Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxmIMR1LNos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpDm3Z9tI-M

Ergun Caner's Apology
http://sbctoday.com/2010/02/25/statement-from-dr-ergun-caner/

Norman Geisler's statements
http://www.normangeisler.net/articles/ErgunCaner/

Ergun Caner: Does Emir Know? - Introduction

Welcome to another episode of "what are the odds".  Many have wondered about Emir Caner's position on his brother's fabrications.  The summer of 2010, he defended his brother saying,  Ergun had demonstrated "unquestionable Christian character".  This was just "a few incorrect statements". 

"His character, integrity, and bold witness are truly an emulation of a shepherd's heart and an evangelist's passion."

March 15, 2012, Emir referred to Ergun as "one of God's most anointed expository preachers". Now to be fair, Emir never said that Ergun did not lie or did not intentionally mislead people. However calling his brother a man of "unquestionable Christian character" seems to suggest Ergun did not lie.  Here is the problem, Ergun has lied about Emir.  Does Emir know this?  Maybe not. 
Let's explore the issue. 

To understand this first video you need some background.  Unveiling Islam authored by Ergun and Emir, explains Ergun's brothers' conversions this way. 

"Ergun's brothers, however, listened.  Erdem accepted Christ in the basement of their home.  Ergun then invited Emir to a revival service the following year.  There, for the first time in his life, Emir heard that God loved him and desired to have a personal relationship with him.  Though he had been to church before, this was the first time he could recall hearing a preacher speak openly and honestly about the exclusivity of the Gospel.  Only through the blood of Jesus, spilt on the cross, can someone be saved.  Yet the preacher also spoke compassionately about God's desire to save everyone.

Although there was only one way, the path was open for all who would believe.  On November 4, 1982, Emir was born again." 

Simple enough.  Erdem accepted Christ in their basement.  Ergun invited Emir to a revival service the following year.  November 4, 1982, a Thursday, Emir was born again.  The story seems simple to tell.  Ergun however in at least two instances will get the story horribly wrong.  I will let you decide if it was intentional or not. 

Let me set the next example up for you.  Ergun had already claimed a myriad of false things. He said he came to America in 1978 and he was 14 in 1978. Yet he really came to America before August of 1970.  He turned 12 in November 3, 1978.

Next Claim: He was a High School Senior in 1982 with the implication of being near college age, 18 years old. Again this is wrong.  Ergun graduated with the class of 1984.  He ended his Sophomore year in 1982 and began his Junior year that fall.  He turned 16 in November 3, 1982. 

All of this will be handled in greater detail in a later video.  Yet you needed the greater context of the main clip.  Here Ergun claimed that he converted in November 4, 1982. November 4, 1982?  Why does that sound familiar?  Oh yeah, that was the day that Unveiling Islam says that Emir was saved.

What are the odds?

He claimed that he was thrown out of his house post-conversion and had to live in garages and basements.  Ergun's mother had primary custody of Ergun and his brothers since the divorce.   His father only had partial custody.  When his father disowned him, Ergun did not have to live in garages and basements. 

Both of Ergun's brothers were not saved after he preached a seven minute sermon...at least not according to them.  Ergun said some things that were grossly false.  While you ponder if this was an intentional or unintentionally, perhaps you should wonder "does Emir know?" 

If Ergun never intentionally misled anyone, what are the odds that I can provide other examples?

Sources:

Unveiling Islam http://books.google.com/books?id=HJJ0posDfDUC&lpg=PA17&vq=erdem&pg=PA19#v=snippet&q=erdem&f=false

General Session #2 - Dr. Ergun Caner -- June 1, 2007 http://evangelism.fbcpearlcity.com/resources.html

Music:
"Monster" by Peach Stealing Monkeys from PeachStealingMonkeys.com
"Spanish Summer" and "Rags 2 Riches Rag" from AudioNautix.com
"The Bottom" by Josh Woodward from joshwoodward.com

Cited Links

Tim Lee's statements
http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com/2011/05/after-11-months-liberty-university.html

September 25, 2010 article where Ergun says he did not lie.
http://www2.newsadvance.com/news/2010/sep/25/caner-defends-background-bristol-speech-ar-524525/

The unedited Marine videos on Viddler
http://www.viddler.com/explore/jsin/videos/2/
http://www.viddler.com/explore/jsin/videos/1/

Unedited Marine Videos on Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxmIMR1LNos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpDm3Z9tI-M

Ergun Caner's Apology
http://sbctoday.com/2010/02/25/statement-from-dr-ergun-caner/

Norman Geisler's statements
http://www.normangeisler.net/insupportofcaner.html
http://www.normangeisler.net/infurtherdefenseofcaner.html
http://www.normangeisler.net/indefenseofcaner.html